Japanese prime minister arrives in Hawaii to visit Pearl Harbor

Then why the fuck is he visiting. They won't apologize for the Rape of Nanking, Pearl Harbour, the Canadian and American POW's, the atrocities they committed during WWII or the Korean comfort girls.

Why is it that our spineless politicians have us apologizing to every minority or special interest group that has ever been associated with our countries no matter how small the issue yet, when it comes to a country that gave a whole new meaning to the word atrocity, nothing, they just blithely go along with these peoples decades old case of self denial so they won't make them uncomfortable.

Just cuz they're arseholes doesn't justify us acting the same. Somebody's supposed to be the good guys.

Now, now, you're no fun.

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We so sorry we miss your carriers.

Can we finally let this shit go after 70 years please? We've already got the Germans committing national suicide via mass immigration of Muslims thanks to the last three generations of them being filled up with guilt and self-loathing thanks to what great-grandpa did in WW2. Do we really need the Japanese to be doing the same? These countries are civilized and we might actually need them to contribute against the darkness of Islam. We won the damn war and they lost. Why isn't that enough?

Sure, if people'll forget about the holocaust, Rwanda, Cambodia and every other atrocity committed in the last 100 years and just because you think you need an ally in the fight against the newest holocaust purveyors doesn't mean we need to or should forget about the perpetrators of the last ones.

Besides, when they pay reparations to the people who's lives they destroyed then they can have a pass but until that happens they can go fuck themselves because they're hypocrites preaching peace while denying history.

Apologizing for Pearl Harbour or Hiroshima is to deny history. They happened. They were also thought to be the best strategic targets available at the time. Obama didn't do Hiroshima any more than Abe did Pearl Harbour. It was their predecessors who thought they were doing the right thing at the time.

Expecting an apology for those actions makes about as much sense as you or I apologizing for the treatment of First Nations people that happened before we were born, or actions carried out by someone else. Waiting for that apology doubly so.

Time to move on.

Merkel's guilt of Germany's role in WWII is what lead to the immigration crisis bringing Europe to the brink of never being able to come back.



Apologizing for Pearl Harbour or Hiroshima is to deny history. They happened. They were also thought to be the best strategic targets available at the time. Obama didn't do Hiroshima any more than Abe did Pearl Harbour. It was their predecessors who thought they were doing the right thing at the time.

Expecting an apology for those actions makes about as much sense as you or I apologizing for the treatment of First Nations people that happened before we were born, or actions carried out by someone else. Waiting for that apology doubly so.

Time to move on.
The United States invasion of Japan would have been brutal so using nuclear weapon's to break the Empire's back was a strategic move that worked. The World has moved on with Japan becoming one of the United States strongest allies.

Part of the strategy of Operation Olympic was to lure the Japanese Army to oppose a feint amphibious landing on the Kanto Plain and then to destroy the massed army with up to three nuclear weapons. Japanese casualties in this single action were anticipated to be in excess of one million soldiers, home guard (Boeitai...like a national guard), and civilians.

The way things worked out wasn't all that bad when you consider the alternatives.

Part of the strategy of Operation Olympic was to lure the Japanese Army to oppose a feint amphibious landing on the Kanto Plain and then to destroy the massed army with up to three nuclear weapons. Japanese casualties in this single action were anticipated to be in excess of one million soldiers, home guard (Boeitai...like a national guard), and civilians.

The way things worked out wasn't all that bad when you consider the alternatives.
Also in other parts of Japan every civilian would have fought the United States to the death, so when the Emperor surrendered ending the War it saved their lives.

It would be admitting our history, and that we fucked them over, making us quit pretending that there is no history. It can be a way to get past the grievances.

It would be admitting our history, and that we fucked them over, making us quit pretending that there is no history. It can be a way to get past the grievances.

No. Admitting our history, that we intended to fuck them over so we didn't fuck ourselves over harder isn't an admission that we were somehow 'wrong'. We don't apologize for Hiroshima, Coventry or Dresden. They were what they were. Once everyone remembers that "Total War" requires things like these, we can all move on. That's why the Geneva Conventions were enacted, so there would never have to be Total War again.

They're also a valuable and essential ally too, and have been for over fifty years. They also are the first bulwark against both China and North Korea in case things get hot over there again someday; if it goes down over there it'll be Japanese cities taking the brunt of the assault, not American or Canadian ones. I see no sense in making them do some sort of endless apology tour/stations-of-the-cross routine just because some people who are stuck in the past and are incapable of letting go of a grudge from a war WE WON decades ago.

It would be admitting our history, and that we fucked them over, making us quit pretending that there is no history. It can be a way to get past the grievances.

No. Admitting our history, that we intended to fuck them over so we didn't fuck ourselves over harder isn't an admission that we were somehow 'wrong'. We don't apologize for Hiroshima, Coventry or Dresden. They were what they were. Once everyone remembers that "Total War" requires things like these, we can all move on. That's why the Geneva Conventions were enacted, so there would never have to be Total War again.
Some people need to look at the cost of Iwo Jima on both sides and multiply that by 1000 or more because that's what the cost of a land invasion of Japan would have been with the use of more nuclear weapons and the landing of ground forces, so in a way Hiroshima saved more lives and there's no need to apologize for that.


Japan has nothing to apologize for it was War and terrible things happen.