 Up to 50,000 protest Charest's tax hikesProvincial Politics | 206976 hits | Apr 12 5:08 pm | Posted by: Proculation  QUEBEC � Between 45,000 and 50,000 people organizers described as members of Quebec's "silent majority" demonstrated peacefully Sunday in front of the National Assembly against tax hikes in the recent provincial budget.
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We are used to have manifestations in Quebec. They are made in week days (while workers are working) but they gather thousands of people. Those people are the 42% of people who does not pay any taxes on the revenue in the province of Quebec.
This is a new type of manifestation: people who do not trust the government. The 'red collars' they call them. The middle class, if we have one in Quebec.
Our premier decided that to reduce the deficit, they will need to tax us: higher PST, higher registration fees for cars, permits, etc. a special tax for healthcare, a 25$ fee for each medical visit. And a lot more.
That is understable: we are in a huge deficit and we have a huge debt. The problem: those people pays for services they do not get. They pay for 10-hours waiting for the ER. They pay for childcare that you have to register 3 years BEFORE the sperm meets the ovule. They pay billions in subsidies for interest groups.
They had enough and they decided to go into the street and say it. They have brought brooms to symbolize the cleanup the government has to do before taxing us more.
The majority of those people haven't ever manifest. They are people working everyday and trying to live a normal life but now, they are tired of the corporatism and the unions running the government.
I say: thumbs up!
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Edits were made for typos.
Corporatism would mean lower taxes. Unions higher
Corporatism means that the elites have privileged access with the government to influence the government to do what they want.
It's going to kill big ticket item sales near the Ontario/Quebec border. Driving 15 minutes to Ontario to save $300+ for a new car is a no brainer.
The Gatineau area is going to turn into a ghostown.
Sounds like the tea party?
Actually, it's a little bit like that.
But if you were in our situation, you would already have revolutioned again
The PST hike they're gunning for in Quebec is horrible, +2%.
It's going to kill big ticket item sales near the Ontario/Quebec border. Driving 15 minutes to Ontario to save $300+ for a new car is a no brainer.
The Gatineau area is going to turn into a ghostown.
The problem is not the PST. It's more than that.
I don't have problems to pay 2% more to get back the taxes left by the federal.
The problem we have is that we pay 55% taxes and that we see the government throwing out our money in subsidies to groups crying the louder. To companies leaving out of subsidies. To 42% people who do not pay a dime for public services. For services we cannot afford.
Like ManifestDestiny said, it's quite like the "tea party". We are taxed but not represented: poors, syndicalists and separatists (who are in the previous categories) vote for the PQ. Since they make a lot of people, federalists vote PLQ even if it's the same thing. We have no right-wing or left-wing here: we only have big government.
We have no right-wing or left-wing here: we only have big government.
Yep. In Quebec, you vote either for the national party (PQ) or for the federal party (PLQ). There was a third party until recently, when he got obliterated.
As for the comparaison with the Tea Party, I don't agree. These dudes are just pissed off against the budget. Nothing more.
The problem: those people pays for services they do not get. They pay for 10-hours waiting for the ER. They pay for childcare that you have to register 3 years BEFORE the sperm meets the ovule. They pay billions in subsidies for interest groups.
Exactly right! I was just talking to my wife about this. Our wonderful province prides itself with having more social programs than any other province, thing is they have the worst social programs than any other province. Great quantity, poor quality. It would be different if we saw improvements in service for our money but it never happens.
The PST hike they're gunning for in Quebec is horrible, +2%.
It's going to kill big ticket item sales near the Ontario/Quebec border. Driving 15 minutes to Ontario to save $300+ for a new car is a no brainer.
The Gatineau area is going to turn into a ghostown.
Yeah to those of us who live here
Not much big ticket stuff in the Aylmer side though. And its faster to go to Ottawa for stuff than Hull or old Gatineau so we don't use the services in that side of town now anyhow. Old Gatineau is already wonderfully ugly, can't really get more ugly.
The problem: those people pays for services they do not get. They pay for 10-hours waiting for the ER. They pay for childcare that you have to register 3 years BEFORE the sperm meets the ovule. They pay billions in subsidies for interest groups.
Exactly right! I was just talking to my wife about this. Our wonderful province prides itself with having more social programs than any other province, thing is they have the worst social programs than any other province. Great quantity, poor quality. It would be different if we saw improvements in service for our money but it never happens.
The problem is that, If I'm correct, 45% of the budget is swallowed by Healthcare.
There's too many old peopleeeee!
Don't get me wrong! I love elders! They are somewhat cool! But the fact is that they use more healthcare than young people. No argue with that.
And the Babyboomers are turning 50 years old and 60 years old, so...
The problem: those people pays for services they do not get. They pay for 10-hours waiting for the ER. They pay for childcare that you have to register 3 years BEFORE the sperm meets the ovule. They pay billions in subsidies for interest groups.
Exactly right! I was just talking to my wife about this. Our wonderful province prides itself with having more social programs than any other province, thing is they have the worst social programs than any other province. Great quantity, poor quality. It would be different if we saw improvements in service for our money but it never happens.
The problem is that, If I'm correct, 45% of the budget is swallowed by Healthcare.
There's too many old peopleeeee!
Don't get me wrong! I love elders! They are somewhat cool! But the fact is that they use more healthcare than young people. No argue with that.
And the Babyboomers are turning 50 years old and 60 years old, so...
As a boomer I agree. Most of the money medicare will spend on you will be in the last 30 days of life. We need to cut way back on the drastic interventions to keep somebody alive for a few weeks/months with no quality of life and no hope of getting better. Same with preemies - keeping neonates alive that only have a 50% chance of survival, and then with poor outcomes doesn't make sense. So we have too many very old and very young people we're keeping alive.
Course we could also try making doctors employees of the state and not pay them as much as we do now. Reduce drug costs and the reliance to feed people drugs for everything - seniors taking fistfuls of different pills. Symbolically, quit paying health care administrators as if they are private sector employees. Don't embrace any and all of the latest technology that may have limited benefit. Etc.
I find it sort of funny that the Quebecers don't want to have to pay for all the "freebies" they demand from their government.
That's not confined to Quebec, or even Canada. "Keep your government hands off my medicare is another example." The middle class is the biggest beneficiary of govt programs. Quebec's generous child care provisions have been criticized because they subsidize the middle class much more than the poor. I'm sure a lot of govt programs are like that, including of course the subsidy that goes into a university education. Everybody wants the free lunch. The US seems to be the #1 culprit of that form of delusional thinking, with all those tax cuts and huge deficits. I think the teabaggers in the US are part of that phenomenon.