[Newsbot]

Title: Winnipeg police arrest two men in firebombing
Category: Law & Order
Posted By: Curtman
Date: 2011-07-14 16:24:18
Canadian

[Curtman]

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The incidents are among more than a dozen firebombings and shootings this summer that police say are part of a battle between two gangs for the city's drug trade. Police will not name the gangs they suspect, but the conflict is said to involve affiliates of the Hells Angels and the Rock Machine.

In some cases, buildings have been riddled with bullets or had makeshift Molotov cocktails thrown into them. There have been no injuries in most events, but a 14-year-old boy was injured in an exchange of gunfire July 4.

Police believe the escalating war stems from a void created since 2009, when dozens of people were arrested under an organized-crime sweep called Project Divide.

Prohibition success = more violence and misery.

Stop the madness. Legalize and regulate to end the violence.

[Choban]

Another plug for your stance Curt? While I agree with you it's getting old.

Also regardless, I do believe that the bikers would find some other way to make their $ and still be fighting it out, most of these gangs didn't start up as drug movers.
They are into prostitution, run strip clubs, paid security for some things (protection rackets for others), extortion, gambeling (which is legal), loan sharking, weapons smuggling, human smuggling, ect.... Drugs are a major part of their income but there are other ways to make $.

It's been a bad week for the Angels here in Calgary too, 9 grow ops all connected to them busted to the tune of $17 million in profits.

[Curtman]

Choban Choban:

Another plug for your stance Curt? While I agree with you it's getting old.

So why click the story? You think its not worthwhile to take away their two most lucrative sources of revenue? The drug war is a horrible failure. It has allowed them to become very powerful. Prohibition is what is getting old. If you don't care about the violence, then go talk about hockey or some other stupid thing.

[ShepherdsDog]

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If you don't care about the violence, then go talk about hockey or some other stupid thing.

Is curtman really curtwoman??

[martin14]

[andyt]

@choban - so do you come up with some brilliant new angle to comment on every story? It's basically same old same old for all of us on this forum, and even the stories we select to comment on in the first place reflect that.

@Curtman - you say two sources. Do you mean drugs and something else, or two particular types of drugs?

[Zipperfish]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

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If you don't care about the violence, then go talk about hockey or some other stupid thing.

Is curtman really curtwoman??

I thought talking about hockey was talking about vioence.

[Curtman]

andyt andyt:

@Curtman - you say two sources. Do you mean drugs and something else, or two particular types of drugs?

Drugs and prostitution. Prohibition is a total failure for both.

[Choban]

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If you don't care about the violence, then go talk about hockey or some other stupid thing.

Ahem, my cousins husband was thrown off a hotel in Winnipeg by bikers over a drug debt in the early 90's, so yes I care about the violence, maybe more some and less than others, and I also talk about hockey, and many other subjects here on CKA and in the real world.

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You think its not worthwhile to take away their two most lucrative sources of revenue?

Yes I thnk it's worthwhile, perhaps you missed this part of my statement,

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While I agree with you

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so do you come up with some brilliant new angle to comment on every story?

Well I do try to not sound like a broken record or a person with a single agenda

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Drugs and prostitution. Prohibition is a total failure for both

Again agreed BUT....

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paid security for some things (protection rackets for others), extortion, gambeling (which is legal), loan sharking, weapons smuggling, human smuggling, ect.... Drugs are a major part of their income but there are other ways to make $.

[andyt]

Choban Choban:

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so do you come up with some brilliant new angle to comment on every story?

Well I do try to not sound like a broken record or a person with a single agenda

So every time another story about a certain subject comes up, regular posters of CKA should just shut up so they don't sound like a broken record? You're going to be awful busy chiding people about that around here, not just Curtman. Guess you'll change your username to Chiding Choban.

[Choban]

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Guess you'll change your username to Chiding Choban

Yah I guess so

[Curtman]

Choban Choban:

Again agreed BUT....

Choban Choban:

paid security for some things (protection rackets for others), extortion, gambeling (which is legal), loan sharking, weapons smuggling, human smuggling, ect.... Drugs are a major part of their income but there are other ways to make $.

But nobody suggests prohibiting private security firms, gambling, payday loans, weapons, immigration, etc. The amount of money that is being made on drugs and prostitution by criminals is huge! We spend money to lock them up, and the example I'm talking about here shows how the public is worse off because of it in a very direct way. Usually you have to get your head around the "drugs are bad" groupthink before you can get used to the idea that prohibition causes violence, not the drugs. Here it's clearly the case. I'm happy if there is no drug turf war where you live, but gangs are a big problem here. Winnipeg would be a much better place without prosperous gangs.

andyt andyt:

So every time another story about a certain subject comes up, regular posters of CKA should just shut up so they don't sound like a broken record? You're going to be awful busy chiding people about that around here, not just Curtman. Guess you'll change your username to Chiding Choban.

I've noticed certain people resent this topic. They think it's taboo or something maybe. I understand if people think it's not worth talking about, but the ones who take the time to make comments to the effect of "dont talk about this anymore" are very strange.

[DerbyX]

Curtman Curtman:

I've noticed certain people resent this topic. They think it's taboo or something maybe. I understand if people think it's not worth talking about, but the ones who take the time to make comments to the effect of "dont talk about this anymore" are very strange.

I think it is more accurate to say they resent the fact logic and facts keep invalidating their argument and that the more research is done the more legalization & treatment programs work exceedingly better then shoving them into jails as their moral codes demand.

Like the church & sex they cannot stand that people are getting pleasure from something they dislike and they want it stopped.

[Thanos]

More like we reject your legalization theory as a Utopian fantasy/delusion that has no basis in reality and that will lead to an uber-nightmare scenario that makes the current crime situation look pleasant in comparison.