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Title: Top RCMP staff complain about boss
Category: Law & Order
Posted By: Hyack
Date: 2010-07-26 22:08:37
Canadian

[KorbenDeck]

A civilian never should have been put in charge of the RCMP

[QBC]

Yep, just about as bad as putting a politician in charge of a country.

[Benn]

The OPP once had a civi in charge and the general opinion was that he was one of the better commissioners they ever had.

The last "Cop" commish they had they didn't like either lets not forget. Hard to find anyone they like when 75% of the general members have no trust in their top management who would replace the head guy.

[ttruscott]

The RCMP is rotting from the top down...

To think of what they used to be and how they have fallen.

[andyt]

QBC QBC:

Yep, just about as bad as putting a politician in charge of a country.

And the alternative would be?

[andyt]

KorbenDeck KorbenDeck:

A civilian never should have been put in charge of the RCMP

They put a civilian in because the last cop made such a mess of things.

[EyeBrock]

andyt andyt:

KorbenDeck KorbenDeck:

A civilian never should have been put in charge of the RCMP

They put a civilian in because the last cop made such a mess of things.

Worked out well eh?

[andyt]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

andyt andyt:

KorbenDeck KorbenDeck:

A civilian never should have been put in charge of the RCMP

They put a civilian in because the last cop made such a mess of things.

Worked out well eh?

Nope. Just shows it's not whether it's a cop or civilian but who the person is, and the state the organization is in. The cops are probably upset because he wants to shake things up, which is sorely needed. At least I hope that's the case, tho I havn't seen much evidence of it.

[EyeBrock]

Good leaders don't yell, scream and have tantrums with their team members.

That behaviour has little reflection on the 'state of the organisation' and is an indicator of a tyrannical style of management that the current Commissioner exhibits.

I don't know how you can make the link that poor behaviour of this guy shows the state of the RCMP? That's not a logical link.

[andyt]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Good leaders don't yell, scream and have tantrums with their team members.

That behaviour has little reflection on the 'state of the organisation' and is an indicator of a tyrannical style of management that the current Commissioner exhibits.

I don't know how you can make the link that poor behaviour of this guy shows the state of the RCMP? That's not a logical link.

I agree that good leaders don't have hissy fits. I wasn't making any link between his behavior and his outbursts.


Don't know about any outbursts, but Zaccardelli was no prize, but possibly the brass are still loyal to him and resisting the new guy. Beverly Busson was involved with a scheme to oust a respected cop working on gang stuff while she was still in Vancouver. That guy has now been awarded 2 million dollars for wrongful dismissal. The govt settled out of court for such a high amount because they were afraid of the revelations of dirty business among the cops if it went to trial.

But I know, that's just the media being biased again, reporting this stuff.

[EyeBrock]

The media and the RCMP 'aint cosy and that's for sure. It doesn't do either of them any good to be this way.

[Zipperfish]

The RCMP is in a tough state. First of all, I can't think of any fundamental reorganization they have gone through in recent history to adapt to a quickly changing landscape.

I'm not that read up on it, but as far as I can see they do the jobs of the FBI, the state troopers and the county cops in the US (at least here in BC). That is too big and too broad of an organizational mandate if you ask me.

As for the RCMP cops--I feel bad for these cadets that sign up dreaming of rescuing the world from bad guys, only to get transferred to some reserve up north where, if they played it by the book, they'd have to pull every kid out of every home and send them to social services. Walk a mile in their shoes before judging them, I say.

[andyt]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Walk a mile in their shoes before judging them, I say.

That's impossible. We'll just have to judge them as is. Not judging them is the scarier alternative.

I know they have a tough job. Even shooters like the Bush and Arnaud cases, they were probably doing the best they thought they could at the time. What worries me is the coverup that comes from when they screw up. They should admit it, fix it and move on. I think then they would win back the trust of the people, even if they took a few black eyes along the way. And that cover up attitude seems to go all the way to the top.

[Benn]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Good leaders don't yell, scream and have tantrums with their team members.

That behaviour has little reflection on the 'state of the organisation' and is an indicator of a tyrannical style of management that the current Commissioner exhibits.

I don't know how you can make the link that poor behaviour of this guy shows the state of the RCMP? That's not a logical link.

Well to be fair their own rank and file think crap of upper management as well, so it is a bit ironic that those same upper management are now whining about a bad boss.

"The RCMP prepares supervisors/managers well for their supervisory/managerial responsibilities" 25% rank and file agreed

"The RCMP develops capable senior leaders with the right competencies to carry out executive responsibilities" 26% agreed

"I believe that material resources are deployed effectively within the RCMP" (reflection on management) 32% agreed

Members also report that 60% of their harassment at work, if they were harassed, comes from those higher in rank than them. Note there are less of these people to harass them than their direct peers or subordinates.

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/surveys-sonda ... ng.htm#nat

These results are consistent for past years more or less as well, even before the Civi commish was there. Nothings changed in the RCMP except now the upper managers are feeling like the regular members when dealing with their bosses.

Fix the top part of the organization and I believe you'll have fixed a lot of the problems across the org.