[Newsbot]

Title: Canada ranks near the top on defence spending
Category: Military
Posted By: Hyack
Date: 2009-12-10 21:18:15
Canadian

[ridenrain]

Bullshit. The Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives are a bunch of fair weather socialists who don't understand the military and would rather the money be spent on more social experiments.

[Bacardi4206]

Nothing to show for it? Has he even seen the latest advancements since we first entered this war? We have more APC's, we got a new light vehicle that replaces the G-Wagon in combat roles if it was ever in combat roles. We got tanks, helictopers, many times a thing has been brough up about buying new jets for the Airforce. The navy is kicking pirate ass. Hell we use to be running around in the desert with forest camo. Might as well have pained a shoot me sign in big red letters.

The military has a lot to show for the increased military spending and frankly its one of the few that I am glad they are spending money on instead of blowing it on some bullshit project or possibly have just thrown it at the Quebec Sepretists or Natives.

With a rise in terrorism, various countries tensions rising. There has never been a better reason to have security.

If this spending keeps up, we can actually eventually replace all the old and broken down military hardware with all brand new and advanced replacements. Increase Airforce air power for Canada's Air defense, more Navy ships and better equipment for the army.

If Australia can do it, we can do it.

[Bruce_the_vii]

The Canadian military is still a pretty limited effort, rather small numbers of anything deployable. The CCPA is usually pretty good, reports hard data that don't neccessarily prove it's point, but they seem to be filling in time here.

[saturn_656]

If I were to run in race, and come in 15th, I wouldn't say I was near the top.

Call me when we hit the top ten list then I will be impressed.

[llama66]

I'd love to see us develop and actually build our our own class of SSN subs and acquire at least 2 Aircraft Carriers and perhaps add one or two new destroyer and frigate classes. but yeah The military really is no longer the joke that it was before. I wonder what Armoured Fighting Vehicle we are looking at now...is it still the CV90?

[TuavDan]

Excellent comments from everyone. Lets see of our political candy asses, or these fairy pansy ass "think tanks" spend time in the military, before making comments.

[Scape]

$1:

Canadian Military Spending 2009 shows that Canada’s rising National Defence spending is $21.185 billion in 2009-2010, making Canada’s rank 13th highest in the world, and 6th highest among NATO’s 28 members, dollar for dollar. By comparison, the Department of the Environment was allocated only $1.064 billion. Click here to read more and download the full report.

http://www.policyalternatives.ca/newsro ... hest-world

Key quote:

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And he sees little to show for our investment in terms of enhanced global security.

Of course not, no military is intended to be a world cop and the UN is not allowed to have a military. However, our forces have been transformed and has cut it's teeth to be a more relevant and proven force. Our equipment and training have been upgraded. It is one thing to buy the expensive kit but it's a whole new ball game when the metal meets the meat. We can have training exercises all the time but that will only prepare us so far, real conflict transforms theories into practical experience and that is invaluable. If anything our experience in Afghanistan has been an expensive, but necessary, live fire exercise.

[PENATRATOR]

llama66 llama66:

I'd love to see us develop and actually build our our own class of SSN subs and acquire at least 2 Aircraft Carriers and perhaps add one or two new destroyer and frigate classes. but yeah The military really is no longer the joke that it was before. I wonder what Armoured Fighting Vehicle we are looking at now...is it still the CV90?

So I take it you'll be enlisting right away? The navy does not have enough guys to sail all of their present ships.

[Gunnair]

llama66 llama66:

I'd love to see us develop and actually build our our own class of SSN subs and acquire at least 2 Aircraft Carriers and perhaps add one or two new destroyer and frigate classes. but yeah The military really is no longer the joke that it was before. I wonder what Armoured Fighting Vehicle we are looking at now...is it still the CV90?

Carriers are overrated and too expensive. To develope an industry to build subs would be ... debilitating... to say the least.

[EyeBrock]

From the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, a well regarded international body as opposed to some pinky-left wing ‘think tank’ puts Canada’s defence expenditure at 1.2% of our GDP.

To say it is at a 60 year high is misleading.
Sure we spend more in dollars than ever before but I’d love to buy stuff at 1949 prices today.

In reality we spent more of our GDP on defence in 1998 (1.3) and in 2000-2001 we spent 1.2% of our GDP on defence. After that it dropped to 1.1% until 2006 when the Tories upped it back to 1.2%.

http://milexdata.sipri.org/result.php4

The CIA Fact book puts Canada at #132 for GDP vs Military spending.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publication ... 4rank.html

More left-wing bullshit that doesn’t stand up to even basic scrutiny but is swallowed by the media as quickly as a new porn star saying Tiger Woods shagged her.

[Akhenaten]

Either the study or the story are decieving. We have been spending a lot of money - over the past 2-4 years, but not year after year which imo is the real measure. We've been spending a lot lately because we've needed repair the damamge and replace things that should've been replaced 10 years ago.

The Article The Article:

Bill Robinson, a defence analyst with the Rideau Institute, said the government is throwing money at the military at the expense of other important issues like the environment.

....and there it is. The political motivation to skew the story in a certain light, to lie. The gov't is not "throwing money" at the military. The military has been starved for years and that addressing that neglect has a high price tag.

[EyeBrock]

The Rideau Institute is about as anti-military as it gets. Google them.

[jason700]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

From the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, a well regarded international body as opposed to some pinky-left wing ‘think tank’ puts Canada’s defence expenditure at 1.2% of our GDP.

To say it is at a 60 year high is misleading.
Sure we spend more in dollars than ever before but I’d love to buy stuff at 1949 prices today.

In reality we spent more of our GDP on defence in 1998 (1.3) and in 2000-2001 we spent 1.2% of our GDP on defence. After that it dropped to 1.1% until 2006 when the Tories upped it back to 1.2%.

http://milexdata.sipri.org/result.php4

The CIA Fact book puts Canada at #132 for GDP vs Military spending.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publication ... 4rank.html

More left-wing bullshit that doesn’t stand up to even basic scrutiny but is swallowed by the media as quickly as a new porn star saying Tiger Woods shagged her.

Totally agree. We have to look at the percentages rather than the dollar amount. This is a bullshit article.

On the plus side, the writer was kind enough to leave her e-mail. Maybe you should mention this to her. (kathleen.harris@sunmedia.ca)

[EyeBrock]

Good idea Jason and I cut'n'pasted my post (as is) and e-mailed it to her. I'll advise if I get a response!