[Newsbot]

Title: Bob Rae to end bid for Liberal leadership: CTV
Category: Political
Posted By: ridenrain
Date: 2008-12-09 07:34:59
Canadian

[ridenrain]

Any leader you want, as long as it's the one we selected for you.
Great leader selection process. Looks like something out of the USSR.

[DerbyX]

Or the whole alliance-PC merging.

[ziggy]

They should get Ed the sock for a leader.

[EyeBrock]

I think Iggy is good for the Liberals. Rae would just have finished them off. He's still a total socialist and well left of tradional Liberals.

[mtbr]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Or the whole alliance-PC merging.

at least they merged before an election

[EyeBrock]

I think an NDP-Liberal merge may have have been a distinc possibility under Rae.
On the other hand I think Iggy will move the Libs back from the socialist abyss and get them in the centre or even centre right.

Iggy is a threat to Harper's CPC. They have a fight on at last. This will be interesting.

This can only hasten Harper's decline in the CPC and with the electorate.

[poquas]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

This can only hasten Harper's decline in the CPC and with the electorate.

I agree, and the sooner the better. Since the Libs don't need another choice now, maybe we could get Ed the Sock to run for the leadership of the Conservative party. I'd like to support someone I could trust again.

[bootlegga]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

I think an NDP-Liberal merge may have have been a distinc possibility under Rae.
On the other hand I think Iggy will move the Libs back from the socialist abyss and get them in the centre or even centre right.

Iggy is a threat to Harper's CPC. They have a fight on at last. This will be interesting.

This can only hasten Harper's decline in the CPC and with the electorate.

I'd agree with pretty much everything you've just said...still waiting you to chatise RR for his partisanship though...

[ridenrain]

Go look in the mirror first though.


Iggy's definately right of the Liberal average and it will be interesting to see if he can sway the party over. If he can, the Liberals would look better and would be more competition for Harper.

What I'm finding funny are you brand loyal customers who are lining up to berate me. We're looking at the Libs move from left to right and none of you are bitching about that because the Libs are not guided by ideology but only a desperate need for power and control. Left, right.. whatever, as long as it gets them closer to the money.

[poquas]

ridenrain ridenrain:

What I'm finding funny are you brand loyal customers who are lining up to berate me.

Interesting comment. Especially in my field!

Brand loyalty is the problem. “My party, right or wrong”. “You’re either with us or against us”. “God is on my side”.

I see this from all extremes and it only proves my long held theory that you should have to pass a test in order to vote (among other things) or at least have an IQ above 4. Federally, I’ve voted Conservative (except for Mulrony’s second term. I recognize a snake when I see one). Provincially I’ve voted just about everything regardless of party name.

Right now the Conservative party is run from within by an ultra right wing core of the Reform/Alliance who had to keep it under wraps. That was fine with me. I still found them more palatable (even as the opposition) than most. After the Stockwell Day creationist (5000 year old earth?) fiasco, the McKay backstab, and once Harper ascended, I began to get nervous, and have been every since. The Conservatives are not perfect, and are getting further away from it all the time. Anyone screaming support from the hilltops, wilfully too blind to see that could use some help upstairs (of course the same goes from the other side).

The NDP is so far to the Left I can’t (don’t want to) even see them. The Liberals can’t agree amongst themselves long enough to get my interest most of the time.

I’ve been orphaned by incompetents and I’m pissed.

[Yogi]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

I think an NDP-Liberal merge may have have been a distinc possibility under Rae.
On the other hand I think Iggy will move the Libs back from the socialist abyss and get them in the centre or even centre right.

Iggy is a threat to Harper's CPC. They have a fight on at last. This will be interesting.

This can only hasten Harper's decline in the CPC and with the electorate.

Seriously. Who would you like to see replace Harper? I can't think of anyone who could do a 'better' job of it. Tyhat is not to say that I don't think the CPC could/should be better run, but I just don't think that there is a single MP who could do any better!

[ridenrain]

As a Reformer, I find you're comments silly.

To make it clear, parties that have an idological direction, for the most part, can be relied to move in that direction. The Liberals do not have any underlying ideology and simply exist to float between the CPC and the NDP. I don't like wishy washy parties because you never can predict what they will do. I would rather see a coalition between the NDP and the CPC than a Liberal government.

[N_Fiddledog]

I know one thing for sure. I'm glad we didn't get this...

$1:

The Rae government's first budget, introduced in 1991, increased social spending to mitigate the economic slowdown and projected a record deficit of $9.1 billion. Finance Minister Floyd Laughren argued that Ontario made a decision to target the effects of the recession rather than the deficit, and said that the budget would create or protect 70,000 jobs. It targeted more money to social assistance, social housing and child benefits, and raised taxes for high-income earners while lowering rates for 700,000 low-income Ontarians.[44]

A few years later, journalist Thomas Walkom described the budget as following a Keynesian orthodoxy, spending money in the public sector to stimulate employment and productivity. Unfortunately, it did not achieve its stated purpose. The recession was still severe. Walkom described the budget as "the worst of both worlds", angering the business community but not doing enough to provide for public relief.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Rae#Economic_policy

[CommanderSock]

$1:

Go look in the mirror first though.


Iggy's definately right of the Liberal average and it will be interesting to see if he can sway the party over. If he can, the Liberals would look better and would be more competition for Harper.

What I'm finding funny are you brand loyal customers who are lining up to berate me. We're looking at the Libs move from left to right and none of you are bitching about that because the Libs are not guided by ideology but only a desperate need for power and control. Left, right.. whatever, as long as it gets them closer to the money.

Not necessarily. The liberals have tended to be strictly fiscally conservative, and socially liberal. That is a good combination. It’s difficult to find fiscally conservative parties that aren’t propped up by bible bashing evangelical establishments. The liberals resemble a tepid European right wing party, but support immigration.