[Newsbot]

Title: \'Unprecedented\' melt sinks hope for Arctic ice recovery
Category: Environmental
Posted By: Hyack
Date: 2008-08-11 15:52:25
Canadian

[hurley_108]

N_Fiddledog, Here, N_Fiddledog, Here,:

Last year there was a record melt. All year the media was screaming about how that meant the end of ice in the Arctic. Every fool with global warming grant money was predicting a worse melt this year than ever before in history. Guess what? It didn't happen. There's significantly more ice now than there was last year at this time.

Satellite pic comparing July 29 2007 Arctic ice pack to July 29 2008 ice

Graph showing progression of 2008 melt against 2007's, and 1979 to 2000 average.

And the Antarctic continues to get colder with the largest sea ice extant on record.

I found myself wondering how is the media going to explain this - how one more in a lengthening line of their half-baked, BS, hysterical prophesies didn't come true. Here's the answer I guess. They'll just ignore the fact the predicted, increased melt didn't happen. Instead they'll point to something which happens every year like another ice shelf fracturing off, and claim it's some new dire emergency.

How much higher can they pile this global warming bullshit before people start to notice something stinks?

Now, here's the comparison for yesterday's date and the same date last year. The ice-free portion from last year is much larger, but the ice cover that is there this year is thinner and the thicker parts are more fragmented. The article says that the minimum is usually in September. Could we yet have an ice-free pole this year?

[hurley_108]

And just for kicks, here's the comparison between July 29 this year, and yesterday, August 11. The extent is similar, but the density has fallen substantially.

[hurley_108]

Oop, didn't see that N_Fiddledog had already posted essentially the same thing himself last night. Sorry, man.

[N_Fiddledog]

No problem. Back an forth, it goes. This is a fun melt. It's worth pointing out a few things.

From the beginning of July to a couple of days before the end a big gap opened up between last year's melt and this one. 2007's melt was considerably more. Then something happened...

$1:

The pace of sea ice loss sharply quickened in the past ten days, triggered by a series of strong storms that broke up thin ice in the Beaufort and Chukchi Seas.

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

or as I put it on the previous thread...

$1:

it wasn't heat responsible for this 10 day surge of lost ice. It was a freak storm and wind system blowing broken ice south. That happened the last few years as well, but the south blowing wind system was more consistent, and over a larger area, especially last year.

The alarmist media went quiet as mice when it was looking like the spectacular ice clearing melt they predicted for this year wasn't going to happen, now they want to talk about it again after 10 days of freak winds. They were talking about thin ice when they were making their predictions of an ice-free arctic at the beginning of the year as well. It still hasn't happened. I got that information concerning the 10 day ice break up from a skeptic blog, so they're guiltless as far as just telling one side of the story on this one.

Here's how much ice needs to vanish between now and about September 15 to match the 2007 melt.

http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/tes ... 11&sy=2008

Thin ice, or not, you better cross your fingers for another storm.

[Zipperfish]

Well, with all due respect to Ziggy, I think the Arctic is heating up.

Interestingly, though, the Antarctic, apart fromt he peninsula, appears to be in a cooling trend.

[N_Fiddledog]

I think though, if you're talking in terms of the arctic melt, things are not so much heating up, as reheating (they were at least).

The Arctic was warmer in the 40s. A time during which the RCMP vessel, The St. Roche circumnavigated the Northwest Passage twice in the same year. There's a graph below offering the best guess at how warm it was. There were no satellites at that time, but that won't bother anybody who thinks Jim Hansen knows what he's doing when he makes his graphs.



Arctic ocean circulation trends can explain the return to an intermittently melting Arctic.

See here

[PluggyRug]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Well, with all due respect to Ziggy, I think the Arctic is heating up.

Interestingly, though, the Antarctic, apart fromt he peninsula, appears to be in a cooling trend.

Chandlers Wobble, possibly?

[Zipperfish]

Depletion of stratospheric ozone and the heat uptake by the soughtern ocean are touted (on Wiki anyways). Does this mean we can use hair spray again?

[N_Fiddledog]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Depletion of stratospheric ozone and the heat uptake by the soughtern ocean are touted (on Wiki anyways). Does this mean we can use hair spray again?

The ozone thing is one of the excuses alarmists give for the Antarctic cooling thing. If they're claiming the theory is universally accepted as single cause however that's just more Wikipedia, warmism, bullshit from activist editor Connelly and his Wikipedia disinformation police.