[Newsbot]

Title: Baird calls Grits' carbon tax proposal 'pay and pollute'
Category: Political
Posted By: WDHIII
Date: 2008-07-26 08:41:31
Canadian

[Deiwos]

Of course Baird is making it sound like it is one or the other. In the absence of a plan they can claim is better than Dion's, all they have is the, "The Liberals are wrong" strategy. I'm a social liberal who actually has some faith in the market. While I agree that a cap and trade system is not enough, that some companies will just pay the price and keep polluting, some will start to find ways that cost less. The answer is not to dive radically into one solution, it is to ease ourselves into as many solutions as possible.

[ridenrain]

Dion screwed this up because he floated this idea with no details so the CPC could make attack adds and define it in the publics vision. It was also dumb to try to convince average Canadians to pay more taxes when they were already paying more for fuel than they ever had.

[EyeBrock]

Deiwos Deiwos:

Of course Baird is making it sound like it is one or the other. In the absence of a plan they can claim is better than Dion's, all they have is the, "The Liberals are wrong" strategy. I'm a social liberal who actually has some faith in the market. While I agree that a cap and trade system is not enough, that some companies will just pay the price and keep polluting, some will start to find ways that cost less. The answer is not to dive radically into one solution, it is to ease ourselves into as many solutions as possible.

While I agree something should be done re climate change, paying people to offset carbon use is like an alcoholic paying somebody to go to AA meetings while quaffing a 40 oz of vodka.
Totally silly.

Dion's plan is pure tax, no reductions, no anti-pollution measures, just us poor plebs paying out more for the stuff we need.
Baird is right.
But I don't see anything really useful coming from the Tories.
I hope their plan is more than just pointing out how crap Dion's plan is.

[sandorski]

As opposed to, "Don't Pay and Pollute"?

[EyeBrock]

The Tories have some longer term limits on pollution and emmission. A rudimentary search would educate you better sandorski. If you are not up to speed on this subject, don't post.

[hwacker]

sandorski sandorski:

As opposed to, "Don't Pay and Pollute"?

yeah you got the answer. W0W

[sandorski]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Deiwos Deiwos:

Of course Baird is making it sound like it is one or the other. In the absence of a plan they can claim is better than Dion's, all they have is the, "The Liberals are wrong" strategy. I'm a social liberal who actually has some faith in the market. While I agree that a cap and trade system is not enough, that some companies will just pay the price and keep polluting, some will start to find ways that cost less. The answer is not to dive radically into one solution, it is to ease ourselves into as many solutions as possible.

While I agree something should be done re climate change, paying people to offset carbon use is like an alcoholic paying somebody to go to AA meetings while quaffing a 40 oz of vodka.
Totally silly.

Dion's plan is pure tax, no reductions, no anti-pollution measures, just us poor plebs paying out more for the stuff we need.
Baird is right.
But I don't see anything really useful coming from the Tories.
I hope their plan is more than just pointing out how crap Dion's plan is.

Perhaps you and Baird should heed your advice? http://www.thegreenshift.ca/pdfs/green_shift_book_en.pdf

[dino_bobba_renno]

sandorski sandorski:

http://www.thegreenshift.ca/pdfs/green_shift_book_en.pdf[/url]

I followed the link but all I see is a tax plan. No mention of how this plan will lower GHG's or by what amount, no targets or goals. I see a pie in the sky mention of 20% below 1990 levels but thats not overly realistic now is it. Doesn't mention much about funding for green technologies or how it will assist GHG producing corporations develop those green technologies with out drastically impacting their bottom lines.

Really, the only thing Dion's plan has over the conservatives one is the fact it's in a pretty brochure with green pages.

[cheryl08]

It seems that none of the parties have ironed out the kinks in their policies, their too busy pointing the finger at each other trying to make themselves look good.
And considering the Tories are in power, and they are so adamant on the liberals being wrong...why aren't they doing something efficient about the environment?

[mtbr]

and just what did the Liberals do for the environment? they had their chance..."but didn't get it done"

[saturn_656]

I'd like the Tories to take action against real pollution, like the heavy metals that industry releases into the environment every now and then (whether accidental or intentional) than waste time on the "phantom pollutant" known as CO2.

[C.M. Burns]

As opposed to the CONservative plan: Pollute and Get Paid!

[cheryl08]

$1:

and just what did the Liberals do for the environment? they had their chance..."but didn't get it done"

Again with the finger pointing

[mtbr]

cheryl08 cheryl08:

$1:

and just what did the Liberals do for the environment? they had their chance..."but didn't get it done"

Again with the finger pointing

answer the question.