[Newsbot]

Title: $2B to fix dilapidated First Nations homes in Manitoba alone: government report
Category: Misc CDN
Posted By: N_Fiddledog
Date: 2016-02-04 00:16:12
Canadian

[martin14]

yeah yeah, mo' money, mo' money, mo' money.

And yet, behind every TV shot, free trees, free lumber, free heat.

Just a little work needed, but that is of course asking way too much.

Send mo' money.

[garryb]

[garryb]

It is senseless to try help people who won't help themselves. Also I currently live in a house that was originally built in 1905, The house I own was built 1953. Why is the life expectancy of native housing 12 years

[BeaverFever]

Because they are overcrowded. 23 people living in one bungalow causes a lot of wear and tear and moisture build up. And also the houses are often of poor quality to begin with.

[uwish]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Because they are overcrowded. 23 people living in one bungalow causes a lot of wear and tear and moisture build up. And also the houses are often of poor quality to begin with.

That is by no means the normal situation, that would be one of the extreme cases which you cannot paint across the entire Manitoba indian housing issue.

[raydan]

When you work for what you have, you tend to keep good care of it... just saying.

[andyt]

raydan raydan:

When you work for what you have, you tend to keep good care of it... just saying.

Yep. Seems racist to me to only build houses for one race of people. We have lots of people in Vancouver who would love to be given a house.

[BeaverFever]

uwish uwish:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Because they are overcrowded. 23 people living in one bungalow causes a lot of wear and tear and moisture build up. And also the houses are often of poor quality to begin with.

That is by no means the normal situation, that would be one of the extreme cases which you cannot paint across the entire Manitoba indian housing issue.

From the OP:

$1:

The report notes Manitoba has among the highest percentage at 29 of indigenous people living in poor housing in Canada. Officials say Alberta is the only other province in a similar situation.
One quarter of existing homes on reserves in both provinces need to be repaired or replaced.
Chief David McDougall said the situation is a "ticking time bomb" in his remote aboriginal community of St. Theresa Point in northern Manitoba. The waiting list for housing on the cluster of four reserves in his tribal council is 1,500. Last year, his reserve got 18 units.
They were the lucky ones. Other reserves got less than that.
It's not uncommon for 18 people to live in a small bungalow, McDougall said. Last year, there were 23 people living in a two-bedroom home.

[ShepherdsDog]

You have to ask how many Manitoba reserves have been placed under third party management because they are Bannock republics. A shitload of money intended for housing and education disappears into the pockets of band councils and their cronies.

[Strutz]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

You have to ask how many Manitoba reserves have been placed under third party management because they are Bannock republics. A shitload of money intended for housing and education disappears into the pockets of band councils and their cronies.

That's something I've heard about here as well. Some get, some do not. It apparently depends on your connections to those who have the power to make those decisions.

[BeaverFever]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

You have to ask how many Manitoba reserves have been placed under third party management because they are Bannock republics. A shitload of money intended for housing and education disappears into the pockets of band councils and their cronies.

It's not that you're wrong, it's just that a few leaders skimming off the top doesn't explain multi-billion dollar shortfalls.These people would be richer than Bill Gates if graft could explain everything.

Chronic under-funding makes it more costly. The whole system is like an old poorly maintained clunker that needs a few hundred dollars worth of repairs every month two just to keep running. Even with the constant repairs it steadily gets worse and it costs more to maintain it than to just buy a new car. Yes, the mechanic undoubtedly sometimes overcharges as well but that's not really the source of the problem.

[peck420]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

It's not that you're wrong, it's just that a few leaders skimming off the top doesn't explain multi-billion dollar shortfalls.These people would be richer than Bill Gates if graft could explain everything.

Incorrect.

An incomplete building, or building that is not maintained, will cost substantially more to fix than it would have ever cost to finish or to maintain. Just the way buildings work.

This is especially critical at the exterior envelope and interior finishing stages.

Take something as simple as siding/window (exterior penetrations) joint. A single missed sealant bead is going to cost far more than the window and the surrounding siding. You could be looking at replacing everything right down to the framing, as well as any occupant products that are damaged by said missed sealant.

So...$5 of missed (or ignored) sealant is now going to cost $1,000's to fix.

Same thing on the interior, specifically in high humidity (exterior walls, bathrooms, kitchens) areas. Take a piece of drywall down, or leave holes unaddressed, and your minor finish cost has transformed into a major structural cost.

Long story, short, buildings are built as systems. They have to be treated as systems, and if one component of the system is not functioning at the specified requirement, you can very quickly find the entire system defunct.

[Public_Domain]

[OnTheIce]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Chronic under-funding makes it more costly. The whole system is like an old poorly maintained clunker that needs a few hundred dollars worth of repairs every month two just to keep running. Even with the constant repairs it steadily gets worse and it costs more to maintain it than to just buy a new car. Yes, the mechanic undoubtedly sometimes overcharges as well but that's not really the source of the problem.

Reserves aren't under-funded. Far from it.

Money doesn't fix the lack of ownership and pride these people take in their homes and communities.