[Newsbot]

Title: Alberta teen found not guilty in shooting death of abusive father
Category: Law & Order
Posted By: DrCaleb
Date: 2015-09-28 09:19:41
Canadian

[uwish]

sounds like the right outcome to me, not guilty by self defense. What a horrible story of abuse, I can't say I am too upset that POS is dead, too bad his family had to go through this...

[BartSimpson]

The real crime here is that the kid spent two years in jail while the prosecution tried to make a case against an abused thirteen year old child.

Just another case of the goddamned authorities bullying a victim of bullying.

Fuckers.

[DrCaleb]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

The real crime here is that the kid spent two years in jail while the prosecution tried to make a case against an abused thirteen year old child.

Just another case of the goddamned authorities bullying a victim of bullying.

Fuckers.

There is a good deal of talk around here today on exactly why this boy was never considered for bail, knowing that his plea of self defense would probably hold up.

And, what to do with him? Counseling, or just send him back to his reserve as-is.

[BartSimpson]

Counseling? I don't know, but I'd say the kid already did some restorative therapy of his own.

What he needs now is a stable family and a solid upbringing. He's got the foundation of a good man who knows when to make a hard decision and with the proper guidance he'll be an exemplary person.

[andyt]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Counseling? I don't know, but I'd say the kid already did some restorative therapy of his own.

What he needs now is a stable family and a solid upbringing. He's got the foundation of a good man who knows when to make a hard decision and with the proper guidance he'll be an exemplary person.

Doesn't sound like he has one of those. Mom went back to hubby when the court ordered them to live apart. The night the kid shot dad the parents were fighting because they had been drinking. Mom is a battered wife. They probably all have PTSD. The whole family needs intensive therapy if they are to make it, even then the outcome is doubtful, especially living in a reserve.

And despite your NRA wet dream, this kid will likely grow up damaged as well, ie is already damaged. Boys who witness abuse often become abusers themselves. Good chance he'll turn to drugs and or alcohol. Shooting somebody in self-defense isn't the foundation of a good person - anybody can do that, even hardened criminals.

What the kid needs is a good mentor. A man who can try to help him stay on the straight track. Maybe he'll find somebody like that in the reserve, but the odds aren't that good.

[andyt]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

There is a good deal of talk around here today on exactly why this boy was never considered for bail, knowing that his plea of self defense would probably hold up.

I can't understand that either, especially given his age. Racism?

[BartSimpson]

andyt andyt:

I can't understand that either, especially given his age. Racism?

I doubt it's racism. It's more likely just another case of some ratfuck career-climber who sees every case as some sort of win-lose thing where they have to rack up 'points' to advance their career.

Fuck justice! They want a promotion and having a record that says they have a 99% conviction rate is all that matters. And if some poor kid has to go to prison for the rest of their life to justify that promotion then so be it.

Don't be surprised if the fucking prosecutor comes back and files weapons charges or some shit against the kid just so they can get a plea and maybe a conviction with a sentence of time served.

[andyt]

You're projecting the USA on us. Up to the judge to grant bail. You look at some of the very likely guilty pukes that get bail and you wonder what's up with this judge. To be fair tho, this kid didn't have a stable situation to go back to, that likely played out as well. But I think a white kid in the same situation would no way have been kept in jail for 2 years.

[DrCaleb]

I doubt it's racism as well. The 'free lawyers' office is severely underfunded. I'm betting on incompetence, or just a lack of time to offer any real justice.

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/john-ol ... ure-fcked/

(US story, but same situation)

[andyt]

The kid's lawyer doesn't sound incompetent or uncaring. Took the judge just 2 hours to find not guilty. Probably just that the kid didn't have a stable situation to go to while awaiting trial. The other outrage is that it took 2 years to take this very straightforward case to trial.

[BartSimpson]

andyt andyt:

The kid's lawyer doesn't sound incompetent or uncaring. Took the judge just 2 hours to find not guilty. Probably just that the kid didn't have a stable situation to go to while awaiting trial. The other outrage is that it took 2 years to take this very straightforward case to trial.

The outrage is that the case went to trial in the first place.

[Thanos]

Canadian prosecutors always go balls to the wall on any incident involving a firearms homicide, even if it's a clear case of justifiable self defense that's entirely likely to result in a not guilty verdict. It even happens in jurisdictions like Alberta that are nominally less anti-gun than places like Ontario or Quebec.

[DrCaleb]

Thanos Thanos:

Canadian prosecutors always go balls to the wall on any incident involving a firearms homicide, even if it's a clear case of justifiable self defense that's entirely likely to result in a not guilty verdict. It even happens in jurisdictions like Alberta that are nominally less anti-gun than places like Ontario or Quebec.

Very true!

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/ ... -1.3058230

But a person was killed, so a trial has to proceed.