[raydan]

Proculation Proculation:

Of course, pharmaceuticals are good investments with the aging of population. But thinking that this is a big scheme to steal money from us, sorry but that's a conspiracy theory based on nothing factual. Occam's razor is a good way of thinking more scientifically.

That's exactly what I'm doing.
Not taking the vaccine IS the simplist theory.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Proculation Proculation:

Be careful outside. The CIA might detect your brain waves and find that you uncovered the evil Big Pharma plan to dominate the world !

You know, it's kinda ironic for a guy who's interests and education are in economics and politics and yet you remain clueless. Suggestion? Change interests or get a refund.

[Proculation]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Proculation Proculation:

Be careful outside. The CIA might detect your brain waves and find that you uncovered the evil Big Pharma plan to dominate the world !

You know, it's kinda ironic for a guy who's interests and education are in economics and politics and yet you remain clueless. Suggestion? Change interests or get a refund.

Add sciences to that.

[Akhenaten]

Proculation Proculation:

Akhenaten Akhenaten:

Buuuuut you don't want to try the experiment I suggested. There are plenty of people here who say they wont take the vaccine so we could compare the results in a couple of months.

Yeah why not. We can also ask to people who took it if they died in big sufferings from the evil vaccine built by an evil elite to reduce world population with the help of those evil capitalists !

And when it comes down to a simple test to judge your 1 in 3 conclusion you go off the rails. My argument wasn't ever about evil elite etc. I never made any assertion close to that, so as usual when what someone says can't be argued then the person arguing just changes what they said.

You really think 1 in 3 people in this country who aren't getting vaccinated are going to get the flu?! Really? And then you turn around and try and belittle someone else for a conspiracy theory? C'mon.

Does anyone even remember avian flu anymore or is this just so song-of-the-day that it's eclipsed all memory of past flu? Does nobody even remember the past couple of years? Surely we at least remember West Nile right?

Yeah. 1 in 3 non-vaccinated are going to get it.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

science(s)is pretty a pretty broad category. Just because I understand the science of thermodynamics, or mathematical anamolies don't make me an expert in things at the subatomic level. Nor does it preclude me from assuming that anyone understands the long term implications of a yearly flu vaccination just cuz they have a degree.

It's not exactly a state secret that the health industry in the US is a for profit industry. Meaning their bottom line is the most important thing to them.
If I'm not mistaken, the US is the ONLY country that allows direct TV marketing for their prescription drugs. Now, does that sound like an industry that has your best interests at heart?
And I quote, "Who says you have to have your period every month." Ummm how about NATURE!! Ya know, that thing that has been running things without man's interference for thousands of years.

Now back to the H1N1 vaccine. Did anyone stop to think(and then start again for that matter) that IF some people still get the flu because they already had the bug before the shot, or the shot hasn't had time to fully "protect" them, that we're potentially giving this strain more genetic material with which to mutate to an even more virulent form?
Not like THAT hasn't happened before with other viruses and bacteria

[OldChum]

Yes mans history of predicting nature is fairly loaded with failures .

[Proculation]

Akhenaten Akhenaten:

Proculation Proculation:

Akhenaten Akhenaten:

Buuuuut you don't want to try the experiment I suggested. There are plenty of people here who say they wont take the vaccine so we could compare the results in a couple of months.

Yeah why not. We can also ask to people who took it if they died in big sufferings from the evil vaccine built by an evil elite to reduce world population with the help of those evil capitalists !

And when it comes down to a simple test to judge your 1 in 3 conclusion you go off the rails. My argument wasn't ever about evil elite etc. I never made any assertion close to that, so as usual when what someone says can't be argued then the person arguing just changes what they said.

Oh no, it was not directed to you sorry.

$1:

You really think 1 in 3 people in this country who aren't getting vaccinated are going to get the flu?! Really? And then you turn around and try and belittle someone else for a conspiracy theory? C'mon.

Does anyone even remember avian flu anymore or is this just so song-of-the-day that it's eclipsed all memory of past flu? Does nobody even remember the past couple of years? Surely we at least remember West Nile right?

Yeah. 1 in 3 non-vaccinated are going to get it.

It's a plausible scenario. Since most young people don't have any immunity against the virus, it is very contagious. 1 in 3 would be a scenario without a vaccination plan tho. Authorities expect around 70% will get the vaccine so that will much less than 1 in 3 since the virus will not be able to spread as easily.

[Akhenaten]

$1:

Oh no, it was not directed to you sorry.

Fair enough. I retract my snottiness.

$1:

It's a plausible scenario. Since most young people don't have any immunity against the virus, it is very contagious. 1 in 3 would be a scenario without a vaccination plan tho. Authorities expect around 70% will get the vaccine so that will much less than 1 in 3 since the virus will not be able to spread as easily.

K, good nuff. Im done arguing about it.

Cheers.

[Proculation]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

science(s)is pretty a pretty broad category. Just because I understand the science of thermodynamics, or mathematical anamolies don't make me an expert in things at the subatomic level. Nor does it preclude me from assuming that anyone understands the long term implications of a yearly flu vaccination just cuz they have a degree.

It's not exactly a state secret that the health industry in the US is a for profit industry. Meaning their bottom line is the most important thing to them.
If I'm not mistaken, the US is the ONLY country that allows direct TV marketing for their prescription drugs. Now, does that sound like an industry that has your best interests at heart?
And I quote, "Who says you have to have your period every month." Ummm how about NATURE!! Ya know, that thing that has been running things without man's interference for thousands of years.

Now back to the H1N1 vaccine. Did anyone stop to think(and then start again for that matter) that IF some people still get the flu because they already had the bug before the shot, or the shot hasn't had time to fully "protect" them, that we're potentially giving this strain more genetic material with which to mutate to an even more virulent form?
Not like THAT hasn't happened before with other viruses and bacteria

Sorry but thinking that the WHO, the governments, the doctors, the big pharma are all in a big capitalist scheme to steal people, that's a conspiracy theory and that's laughable. I'm willing to argue with people with arguments but not with tinfoilers, sorry.

[Brenda]

Just like manmade Global Warming and Al Gore...

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Noooo, no government would sell themselves out to keep protecting their industrial interests. They've been doing it with cigarettes for how many years now? I can point to sooo many other non-medical examples, and medical as well but I don't have all week and I don't wanna hijack the thread.
And from what I understand, this batch was rushed into production. I don't imagine too many unbiased sources have had much opportunity to test it thoroughly.
Efficacy-wise or otherwise.

Actually, upon further reading, you're right. To think that the WHO, governments, doctors and big pharma are in a capitalist scheme to steal people is utterly ridiculous. Now THAT'S a tinfoil theory

[Proculation]

Brenda Brenda:

Just like manmade Global Warming and Al Gore...

Exactly. I don't believe either in the "vast left wing conspiracy" to steal money from capitalists by using the false Global Warming.

[Proculation]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Noooo, no government would sell themselves out to keep protecting their industrial interests. They've been doing it with cigarettes for how many years now? I can point to sooo many other non-medical examples, and medical as well but I don't have all week and I don't wanna hijack the thread.
And from what I understand, this batch was rushed into production. I don't imagine too many unbiased sources have had much opportunity to test it thoroughly.
Efficacy-wise or otherwise.

Actually, upon further reading, you're right. To think that the WHO, governments, doctors and big pharma are in a capitalist scheme to steal people is utterly ridiculous. Now THAT'S a tinfoil theory

Like I said, I warn you. Protect your brain waves outside else the CIA might get you ! You discovered the big plot

[Brenda]

Proculation Proculation:

Brenda Brenda:

Just like manmade Global Warming and Al Gore...

Exactly. I don't believe either in the "vast left wing conspiracy" to steal money from capitalists by using the false Global Warming.

But you do believe the flu shot is all that. And you call us tinfoilers? Because we do question it? Just like we question manmade global warming?

[Proculation]

Brenda Brenda:

Proculation Proculation:

Brenda Brenda:

Just like manmade Global Warming and Al Gore...

Exactly. I don't believe either in the "vast left wing conspiracy" to steal money from capitalists by using the false Global Warming.

But you do believe the flu shot is all that. And you call us tinfoilers? Because we do question it? Just like we question manmade global warming?

huh ? PublicAnimal9 believes that, not me !
I also question manmade global warming but I don't believe in a "vast left wing conspiracy".