[andyt]

Scape Scape:

Since the fall of the wall the new bogeyman is Islam and communism is passe. Media hypes that and if it isn't a Imam behind an attack then the media just ignores it.

I don't think that's fair. The media isn't ignoring this one bit. And aside from this what can you point to that is white on white terror, not counting the Basques and those usual suspects. Even they've been quiet of late

If anything, people expected something like this to happen in Britain, and then be directed against Muslims, not their own people. I'm going to guess this guy has done right wing nutbars a lot of harm with this, as police will watch them a lot closer from now on.

[Scape]

Sure they do. We have bombings in Mexico every day but that's passed off as Cartels violence. The Chinese have their version in the Falun Gong uprisings and you wont hear a peep about that. It's just that he is white and the media can't spin it just like Oklahoma and Columbine but this has more in common with Waco or Ruby Ridge then that.

[Brenda]

$1:

I would never ask you or any of the others to apologize. You assume the worst of them, they assume the worst of you, innocents get killed. Same story. Over and over.

You're twisting things. This didn't happen because the world expected the worst (of Muslims. And, we are still waiting for retaliation for the Bin Laden murder, aren't we? I am.), the worst happened, and terrorists have been of the Muslim faith, mostly, lately. Since Norway is/was also in Afghanistan, it is not a weird conclusion for people to think that when a car bomb explodes somewhere, it is probably set off by Muslim Extremists.

Just like when Pim Fortuyn was murdered, we all thought it must have been a Muslim. Which it actually wasn't, it was a lefty-vegan activist/extremist (who will be set free in 2 years).

[andyt]

Scape Scape:

Sure they do. We have bombings in Mexico every day but that's passed off as Cartels violence. The Chinese have their version in the Falun Gong uprisings and you wont hear a peep about that. It's just that he is white and the media can't spin it just like Oklahoma and Columbine but this has more in common with Waco or Ruby Ridge then that.

I don't think this has much similarity with Columbine. But I don't see the distinction you draw with OK - seems the same thing to me. Actually it has much less similarity with Waco or Ruby Ridge, since those were caused,in large part, by the FBI over reacting.

Mexico - as far as I know it is the cartels that are doing this. What are you saying here?

China - big country with strictly managed news so we will hear less about them.

And yes I feel closer to Europeans. When they get hit, I see it more as "us" than if something happens in China.

[Brenda]

Scape Scape:

Sure they do. We have bombings in Mexico every day but that's passed off as Cartels violence. The Chinese have their version in the Falun Gong uprisings and you wont hear a peep about that. It's just that he is white and the media can't spin it just like Oklahoma and Columbine but this has more in common with Waco or Ruby Ridge then that.

I disagree. The bombing in Oslo was in the media before anyone knew who had done it.
We don't hear anything about Mexico or China because those are gang-related. Just another day in the office, so to speak.

[Scape]

The reason you don't hear about the Mexican terror attacks is because the local media lives in fear of reprisals and know if they report on it they will die. The international media relies on domestic media to report acts of terror. When the domestic media is lazy, inept or coapted into silence there is nothing for the Internationale media to over react to. Even if they were to cover it it would gain little traction as anyone not imminently effected would not be concerned. Think of it as NIMBY on a larger scale.

Muslim terror gets picked up and amplified as it feeds a narrative and that then feeds upon itself. So that even a lone Muslim threatening a Belgian cartoonist is front page headlines whereas another bombing in Mumbai or Farmers in China getting slaughtered is a news of the day item.

There is no narrative to feed upon here so it is seen as a shock to the media. The media not only tell you what to think they also need to be told what stories to tell and if they are not given that instruction before hand they are flat footed fools. If this was an actual Muslim terrorist attack the media would already have their ducks lined up and the presentation would be uniform because they already know how they should cover it.

[ShepherdsDog]

A Muslim(about as religiously observant as most European Christians...as in not) friend from RSA told me he's breathing a sigh of relief that it wasn't one of the jihadis.

$1:

Farmers in China getting slaughtered is a news of the day item.

Most of the unrest in the Chinese West involves the Uighurs. News of uprisings and crackdowns don't get out much. it's a lot more problematic than Beijing wants to let on.....always has been.

[Brenda]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

A Muslim(about as religiously observant as most European Christians...as in not) friend from RSA told me he's breathing a sigh of relief that it wasn't one of the jihadis.

I am sure most Muslims think and feel that way.

I am wondering tho, does any blond haired, blue eyed Christian feel responsible?

[andyt]

Brenda Brenda:

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

A Muslim(about as religiously observant as most European Christians...as in not) friend from RSA told me he's breathing a sigh of relief that it wasn't one of the jihadis.

I am sure most Muslims think and feel that way.

I am wondering tho, does any blond haired, blue eyed Christian feel responsible?

They have to be blond haired and blue eyed? Do blond and blue eyed Muslims feel responsible when a swarthy Muslim pulls a terror attack? Do swarthy Christians feel responsible for this attack? How about one blue one green eyed brunette Buddhists, what should they feel, since we are all one?

[Brenda]

andyt andyt:

Brenda Brenda:

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

A Muslim(about as religiously observant as most European Christians...as in not) friend from RSA told me he's breathing a sigh of relief that it wasn't one of the jihadis.

I am sure most Muslims think and feel that way.

I am wondering tho, does any blond haired, blue eyed Christian feel responsible?

They have to be blond haired and blue eyed? Do blond and blue eyed Muslims feel responsible when a swarthy Muslim pulls a terror attack? Do swarthy Christians feel responsible for this attack? How about one blue one green eyed brunette Buddhists, what should they feel, since we are all one?

Well, since he was a Christian Right Wing, you would assume he had shaven his hair, which he had not, so I didn't ask about "Skinheads".

[ShepherdsDog]

To be completely honest, I thought that they were going to announce that this fellow was a Muslim convert, when he was shown to be an ethnic Norse. Turned out he was Odessa....but as I said before, fantaticism in any form is evil, whether it's related to politics or religion.

[ShepherdsDog]

andyt andyt:

Brenda Brenda:

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

A Muslim(about as religiously observant as most European Christians...as in not) friend from RSA told me he's breathing a sigh of relief that it wasn't one of the jihadis.

I am sure most Muslims think and feel that way.

I am wondering tho, does any blond haired, blue eyed Christian feel responsible?

They have to be blond haired and blue eyed? Do blond and blue eyed Muslims feel responsible when a swarthy Muslim pulls a terror attack? Do swarthy Christians feel responsible for this attack? How about one blue one green eyed brunette Buddhists, what should they feel, since we are all one?

He was targetting swarthy looking individuals. This included his own co religionists, Georgians.

[Brenda]

$1:

...fantaticism in any form is evil, whether it's related to politics or religion.

Absolutely.

[ShepherdsDog]

A friend of mine from Spain who is a Dominican priest here asked this today at lunch.

'Why does the media refer to murdering whackjobs(my term, not his)) as Christian fundementalists when the fundementals of Christianity are love your enemy, render unto Caesar, and turn the other cheek?'

[EyeBrock]

The term 'fundamentlist' was coined in the US to describe whack-job Christians.

I agree that the whack-job Christians she get as much press as the Jihadis, but the fact of the matter is way more Muslims profess to excuse their terrorist acts in the name of their god than fundy Christians. They are of very similar ilk and termination of either type is the only good thing to do with them.