[ShepherdsDog]

Some of the psalms, proverbs and such are word for word copies of scripture found in the vedic scriptures, which predate the Torah. Hinduism at its heart is monotheistic, with one god having many aspects and avatars.

As for Jesus coming to replace the Old Testament, the gospels quote him as saying that he came to reinforce/reiterate the 'Old testament' not replace them. It was under Paul that the shift away from Judaism began

[stratos]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Some of the psalms, proverbs and such are word for word copies of scripture found in the vedic scriptures, which predate the Torah. Hinduism at its heart is monotheistic, with one god having many aspects and avatars.

As for Jesus coming to replace the Old Testament, the gospels quote him as saying that he came to reinforce/reiterate the 'Old testament' not replace them. It was under Paul that the shift away from Judaism began

Cool, I know a number of psalms are attributed to David and that leads me to think during his reign there was contact between his and at least one of the "empires" of India at that time.

[ShepherdsDog]

Hinduism like most religions, including Judaism, went through a missionary phase. The Hebrews, as a people, originated in the fertile cresent. It's pretty likely that there was trade and cultural exchanges with the Indian civilizations. Then there's the entire flood mythos that was part of the Sumerians(?) with their tales of Gilgamesh.

[andyt]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Hinduism like most religions, including Judaism, went through a missionary phase. The Hebrews, as a people, originated in the fertile cresent. It's pretty likely that there was trade and cultural exchanges with the Indian civilizations. Then there's the entire flood mythos that was part of the Sumerians(?) with their tales of Gilgamesh.

Don't hear much about Hindus killing non-believers tho, but then maybe that's got lost in the mists of time.

Read a book that postulated that Jesus was taught my Buddhist missionaries in Egypt. Certainly Ashoka sent out missionaries to all parts of his world, which is why there are Buddhist statues in Astan for instance. Ashoka was a very bloodthirsty conquerer, but changed his ways once he converted to Buddhism. So you can say Buddhism got the benefit of conquest without having to be morally responsible for it.

I don't think it was Hinduism that influenced Judaism, since Judasim is so old, there were no Hindus at the time. But the Vedic forerunners to Hinduism, maybe. The Vedice ideas of a sky god and his clan certainly also went into all the pagan religions, replacing the matriarchal religions that were prevalent in Europe until that time.

[Unsound]

andyt andyt:

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Read a book that postulated that Jesus was taught my Buddhist missionaries in Egypt.

Would that be "Lamb", by any chance? Even if it's not I highly reccomend that book to anyone. "Lamb; the Gospel according to Biff, Christ's childhood buddy" by Christopher Moore

[andyt]

Unsound Unsound:

andyt andyt:

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Read a book that postulated that Jesus was taught my Buddhist missionaries in Egypt.

Would that be "Lamb", by any chance? Even if it's not I highly reccomend that book to anyone. "Lamb; the Gospel according to Biff, Christ's childhood buddy" by Christopher Moore

How did you get Shep to quote what I wrote?

No the book I read was at least pseudo-scholarly, would have had a title like Jesus the Buddha or such. I can't put my hand on it right now, so I can't enlighten you. A quick google shows other books on this subject and quite a discussion about it.

[BartSimpson]

It's become tiresome that resistance to Islamisation is considered 'prejudice'. What's especially empty in this accusation is the fact that the people who are starting to resist Islamisation the most are not Americans, but European liberals who are finally coming around to the idea that their ideas have no place in the Islamic Europe so many Islamic colonists dream of. The US has no laws restricting Islamic practices. Europe does. The US, so far, has no neighborhoods where non-muslims dare not enter. Europe does. So while the GZ mosque is getting a lot of media coverage, the battleground of "prejudice" is really Europe.

My wife's family in Heidelberg/Mannheim are noting that it is the left-liberals who are starting to become militant in their opposition to Islamisation for the precise reason that the actions and words of the muslims ring a familiar tone for the Germans.

So that leave me curious, when the left-liberals in Europe are the ones taking the most actions against Islamisation are they also prejudiced?

[EyeBrock]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

It's become tiresome that resistance to Islamisation is considered 'prejudice'. What's especially empty in this accusation is the fact that the people who are starting to resist Islamisation the most are not Americans, but European liberals who are finally coming around to the idea that their ideas have no place in the Islamic Europe so many Islamic colonists dream of. The US has no laws restricting Islamic practices. Europe does. The US, so far, has no neighborhoods where non-muslims dare not enter. Europe does. So while the GZ mosque is getting a lot of media coverage, the battleground of "prejudice" is really Europe.

My wife's family in Heidelberg/Mannheim are noting that it is the left-liberals who are starting to become militant in their opposition to Islamisation for the precise reason that the actions and words of the muslims ring a familiar tone for the Germans.

So that leave me curious, when the left-liberals in Europe are the ones taking the most actions against Islamisation are they also prejudiced?

It's the mantra of the uneducated, untraveled and closed minded Bart. If you disagree with them you are a bigot and or a racist.

No discussion or debate. They will just yell at you because your viewpoint is different.

[BartSimpson]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

It's the mantra of the uneducated, untraveled and closed minded Bart. If you disagree with them you are a bigot and or a racist.

No discussion or debate. They will just yell at you because your viewpoint is different.

That's quite true. It amazes me how many times I've been told I was a bigot or narrow minded as I related things that I've seen in the sandbox. The people who've had no qualms about calling me names have never been there.

[GreenTiger]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

It's become tiresome that resistance to Islamisation is considered 'prejudice'. What's especially empty in this accusation is the fact that the people who are starting to resist Islamisation the most are not Americans, but European liberals who are finally coming around to the idea that their ideas have no place in the Islamic Europe so many Islamic colonists dream of. The US has no laws restricting Islamic practices. Europe does. The US, so far, has no neighborhoods where non-muslims dare not enter. Europe does. So while the GZ mosque is getting a lot of media coverage, the battleground of "prejudice" is really Europe.

My wife's family in Heidelberg/Mannheim are noting that it is the left-liberals who are starting to become militant in their opposition to Islamisation for the precise reason that the actions and words of the muslims ring a familiar tone for the Germans.

So that leave me curious, when the left-liberals in Europe are the ones taking the most actions against Islamisation are they also prejudiced?

This is true a lot of the European liberals that use to despise us are now getting more concerned about Islamization. Moslems have a lot more right here than in liberal Europe.

[Unsound]

[quote="andytHow did you get Shep to quote what I wrote?

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I don't know how I did it lol Stuff just happens whenever I try anything more advanced than a quick reply.

[Gunnair]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

It's the mantra of the uneducated, untraveled and closed minded Bart. If you disagree with them you are a bigot and or a racist.

No discussion or debate. They will just yell at you because your viewpoint is different.

That's quite true. It amazes me how many times I've been told I was a bigot or narrow minded as I related things that I've seen in the sandbox. The people who've had no qualms about calling me names have never been there.

One can use that logic to stiffle quite a bit of discourse on these boards. If not having a degree in climatology were to mean, say, buttoning one's lip over climate change, the discussions would be quite short.

[ShepherdsDog]

The liberals in Europe have to go on the defensive as they have the most to lose. Liberal tolerance has allowed extremist intolerance to grow like a tumour.

[sandorski]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

It's become tiresome that resistance to Islamisation is considered 'prejudice'. What's especially empty in this accusation is the fact that the people who are starting to resist Islamisation the most are not Americans, but European liberals who are finally coming around to the idea that their ideas have no place in the Islamic Europe so many Islamic colonists dream of. The US has no laws restricting Islamic practices. Europe does. The US, so far, has no neighborhoods where non-muslims dare not enter. Europe does. So while the GZ mosque is getting a lot of media coverage, the battleground of "prejudice" is really Europe.

My wife's family in Heidelberg/Mannheim are noting that it is the left-liberals who are starting to become militant in their opposition to Islamisation for the precise reason that the actions and words of the muslims ring a familiar tone for the Germans.

So that leave me curious, when the left-liberals in Europe are the ones taking the most actions against Islamisation are they also prejudiced?

Bigotry is Bigotry. It is neither Left or Right. It is simply Wrong.

[desertdude]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

That's quite true. It amazes me how many times I've been told I was a bigot or narrow minded as I related things that I've seen in the sandbox. The people who've had no qualms about calling me names have never been there.

I've lived all my life in the "sand box" and I'd call you a racist, bigot and a phobe. So there