[Proculation]

Mustang1 Mustang1:

Benn Benn:

Well written even if the whole English French issue is too emotional to apply a philosophical argument to. Bill 101 pushes things into the realm of spite and just wanting to irrationally "stick it to" the Anglos.

BTW why post this same thing in two separate threads?

And why not only in the Discussion Française threads, if that's his/her posting language?

Well this thread is about Quebec sovereignty. There was a lot of comment by separatists in french.

Trevor had added a button to translate posts by it was removed. I don't know why. It would be a good function to add. With Google Translate now, it makes quite good translations.

I will ask Trevor about that.

[ASLplease]

takamats takamats:

Comment survivre ?

Quelle place donner aux Catalans en Espagne ?
Quelle place donner aux Flamands en Belgique ?
Quelle place donner aux Ecossais au Royaume-Uni ?

Well... the answer is blowin' in the wind. thanx Bob !

vous ne savez pas

[Benn]

takamats takamats:

Je te remercie de m'avoir répondu en Anglais.

Oh not a problem, don't mention it!

[Benn]

Proculation Proculation:

Je suis un Québécois dans le Canada et je survis très bien. C'est plutot le gouvernement du Québec qui m'inquiète plutot que celui du Canada.

Exactement! Je suis d'accord et je vis aussi au Québec.

[Mustang1]

Proculation Proculation:

Mustang1 Mustang1:

Benn Benn:

Well written even if the whole English French issue is too emotional to apply a philosophical argument to. Bill 101 pushes things into the realm of spite and just wanting to irrationally "stick it to" the Anglos.

BTW why post this same thing in two separate threads?

And why not only in the Discussion Française threads, if that's his/her posting language?

Well this thread is about Quebec sovereignty. There was a lot of comment by separatists in french.

Trevor had added a button to translate posts by it was removed. I don't know why. It would be a good function to add. With Google Translate now, it makes quite good translations.

I will ask Trevor about that.

I understand that, but there is a dedicated thread specifically for Francaise. It's there for a reason.

[Mustang1]

takamats takamats:

Comment survivre ?

Quelle place donner aux Catalans en Espagne ?
Quelle place donner aux Flamands en Belgique ?
Quelle place donner aux Ecossais au Royaume-Uni ?

Well... the answer is blowin' in the wind. thanx Bob !

Huh? French-Canadians do have a place - it's called Quebec and it's constitutionally entrenched. In many ways there were treated quite well by the English considering the historical context.

[Bruce_the_vii]

I just notice this thread. I see it's from May. Rather facinating numbers. Thanks for the link.

[ShepherdsDog]

ASLplease ASLplease:

there is a difference between protecting a french culture and forcing it on others that are not french, dont you think?

I often wondered about that when I was forced to take French in junior high, especially when I lived in a part of Canada where German, Mandarin, Hindi and Ukrainian speakers all outnumbered those who spoke French.

[Freakinoldguy]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

ASLplease ASLplease:

there is a difference between protecting a french culture and forcing it on others that are not french, dont you think?

I often wondered about that when I was forced to take French in junior high, especially when I lived in a part of Canada where German, Mandarin, Hindi and Ukrainian speakers all outnumbered those who spoke French.

Simply put. Because in 1969 Lester Pearson and the Royal Commission on Bilingualism, arbitrarily decided Canada was a bilingual and bicultural country.

After that it was only a matter of time till Trudeau changed Bicultural to Multi Cultural and set the country, as some would say, the road to ruin.

The only thing we can be thankful for is the fact that the Trudeau Government was freakin cheap, because if not for cost, we likely would all still be in school learning a new language every week based on our ever expanding immigrant population.

[kenmore]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

ASLplease ASLplease:

there is a difference between protecting a french culture and forcing it on others that are not french, dont you think?

I often wondered about that when I was forced to take French in junior high, especially when I lived in a part of Canada where German, Mandarin, Hindi and Ukrainian speakers all outnumbered those who spoke French.

NONE (other than french) of which is an official language of this country
and until they are, to each their own..

[uwish]

when the official Francophone population falls below 3 million, do we still have to have a second official language? At that point Chinese will be a larger portion of 1st language of choice...does that mean we need to adopt another official language?

[desertdude]

Ah, a very interesting thread with a lot of things I didn't know. Specially I was surprised to learn that French is the only official language in Quebec, seems really odd to me. And if this is the case shouldn't English be the only official language outside of Quebec ? Seems right and fair to the outsider.

Its seems kind of silly to me for the other 31 million Canadians bending over backwards to accomodate the isolated 2 million Quebecois ( ?! ) After all what I've seen here mostly is that everyone is very annoyed at the less than a million muslims allegedly trying to impose themselves on Canada. Specially since there have been more attacks on Canadian soil by french/quebec separatists than any other militant group. I personally don't agree on both scenarios.

It should have been like the US, there are places now which are very clearly bilingual and spanish is being accommodated but I don't think it ever will or should become a second official language, or worse case scenario THE official language in certain states. The US has a lesson to learn from the Canada quebec scenario.

Also seems like Quebec is quite an economic strain on Canadas economy. I think the question should be not Quebec wants to be part of Canada but wether Canada should keep Quebec. I certainly would get rid of that problem child. You want independence, fine go aheadm here take it. Lets have fun watching you sink and then begging to come back on board !

Anyways most my post is in jest so don't take it too seriously. Everyone of you should consider your self lucky and be proud of being Canadians and the specially Quebec. Don't let a language get in the way.

Ask me how it feels not to be able to belong to any country or have a country to truly call home. A Pakistani brought up in an Arab country and grew up on western culture and schools. I don't have citizenship or any citizen rights not will it grant me any in the country I was brought up in and stay in. The country which my passport says I belong to is an alien culture and country to me. I am neither here nor there. A truly displaced citizen of this world.

[ShepherdsDog]

Kenmore considers himself a good Quebecois. Does that help you to understand things a bit?

[desertdude]

Against mostly what I've read by Ken and many others here I would still like to believe they are the minority rather than the majority voice.

[desertdude]

But to be honest personally I've always had bad experiences with the French, as some might know I was a tour guide and goddamn I dreaded the days when we had french clients, always demanding, arrogant, complaining and acted like they owned you and everything around you.

Once there was a two day overnight trip to the desert ending with dinner with BBQ at a bedioun camp in the desert. Those two days were hell for me and my other two colleagues. As expected they were rude arrogant etc etc, but we being in the hospitality industry always have to give service with a smile. didnt speak a word of English or anything else than French. Was impossible to communicate.

Anyways after the end of grueling two days in the desert, not because of the enviroment because I love being out there but because of the company we had, we arrived at the camp. And lo and behold after seeing the BBQ and booze at the bar all of them started to speak perfect English and I mean PERFECT ! " Excuse me, could I have a Heineken please " " Could you pass me the plates "

What mofos ! made our life miserable on purpose and probaly got some sadistic kick out of it !

In my ten years working in the tourist trade did I meet one pleasant french fellow. save for the one time we took this bunch of all female french uni chicks for a camping trip. There were a few decent ones there probably only because they were looking to get laid.

P.S : The French Tourist mentioned earlier were some VIP exces from Renault.