[Akhenaten]

$1:

people like PublicAnimalNo9 have illustrated both an incredible lack of ability to understand the fundamentals of science, AND an inability to acutally learn, understand and reason.

Oh stfu. You sayu this after providing guesses as 'proof'? Not to mention being 100% wrong about the side effects, even after those effects were published here by the producer of the vaccine. Now you prance around like a puppy with a bone acting like an arrogant grad student talking out of his depth.

PublicAnimal has displayed nothing that you describe and I've already admitted being wrong about one point, meanwhile others here tell me they're getting the vaccine becasue there's a 1 in 3 chance of getting the flu. When I suggest putting that to the test they say oh well we'll be getting vaccinated so there won't be a 1 in 3 chance - definitive circular logic there, no denying it.

Poof: you're on ignore. It's obvious you're a poser.

[Akhenaten]

Proculation Proculation:

I posted it some posts ago. "Children showed no cross-reactive antibody reaction to the new strain, adults aged 18 to 64 had 6-9%, and older adults 33%."

Hey I can do this dance all day proc -- so back to the original point then: you said you'd be getting the vaccine because there's a 1 in 3 chance of getting the flu. Okay well there are plenty of people here who won't be getting vaccinated so let's put it to the test and come back in 2 months to see if 1 in 3 of them got the flu. Sound good?


You're changing your story here again and you know it. What you posted does not say there's a 1 in 3 chance of getting the flu. Sorry. Read it over and over and over again until you get it please.

[Proculation]

Akhenaten Akhenaten:

Proculation Proculation:

I posted it some posts ago. "Children showed no cross-reactive antibody reaction to the new strain, adults aged 18 to 64 had 6-9%, and older adults 33%."

Hey I can do this dance all day proc -- so back to the original point then: you said you'd be getting the vaccine because there's a 1 in 3 chance of getting the flu. Okay well there are plenty of people here who won't be getting vaccinated so let's put it to the test and come back in 2 months to see if 1 in 3 of them got the flu. Sound good?


You're changing your story here again and you know it. What you posted does not say there's a 1 in 3 chance of getting the flu. Sorry. Read it over and over and over again until you get it please.

I was talking about the immunity people have, not the 1 in 3 chance.

I'm not changing anything. But i'm repeating a lot...
Around 1 in 10 gets the flu each year. The 1 in 3 is only a scenario.

[raydan]

segno segno:

raydan raydan:

The first legal immunity granted to the producers of vaccines was almost 30 years ago for children vaccines. We're talking vaccines that have almost not changed at all since then so why do they still need legal immunity?

Because, judges and the people who sit on juries are not experts in science and/or epidemiology. All that someone would need to do is trot out some sort of sad-sounding story and all of the scientific evidence in the world would not convince them.

Heck, look at some of the people in this thread... people like PublicAnimalNo9 have illustrated both an incredible lack of ability to understand the fundamentals of science, AND an inability to acutally learn, understand and reason. He actually gets some of his information off hollocaust-deniers web sites, and doesn't even think to question the quality of the source. And there's just as much chance for him to be selected for jury duty as myself.

If I remember correctly, you were warned once for personal attacks.
I'd step lightly if I were you and I think an apology is in order to PublicAnimalNo9 and "people like him", whoever they are.
If you cannot accept the fact that some people don't want to get the vaccine, maybe you should just step away from the subject.

[Akhenaten]

Proculation i suggest you go argue with Sergo who is well aware that this virus was active last year and provided a series of guess as to why it wasn't so bad.

Your earlier reasoning for getting the vaccine was because "1 in 3 chance is good enough for me to get it".

I said " So to tell(ing) people that they will 'probably experience illness' is absurd.

You responded:
1 in 3 is quite high in probability for me.


Thank you for the clarification: 1 in 10.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

segno segno:

raydan raydan:

The first legal immunity granted to the producers of vaccines was almost 30 years ago for children vaccines. We're talking vaccines that have almost not changed at all since then so why do they still need legal immunity?

Because, judges and the people who sit on juries are not experts in science and/or epidemiology. All that someone would need to do is trot out some sort of sad-sounding story and all of the scientific evidence in the world would not convince them.

Heck, look at some of the people in this thread... people like PublicAnimalNo9 have illustrated both an incredible lack of ability to understand the fundamentals of science, AND an inability to acutally learn, understand and reason. He actually gets some of his information off hollocaust-deniers web sites, and doesn't even think to question the quality of the source. And there's just as much chance for him to be selected for jury duty as myself.

As opposed to all the wiki "sources" that have been posted in here? And if you'd even bother to have checked the link to the CDC's own site, you'd see that they have admittedly fudged flu numbers for over 20 years now! Save your invective and insults for someone who actually gives a shit what you think about them. I understand the fundamentals of science, apparently YOU have an issue with understanding the fundamnetals of Capitalism. Fact: Pharma companies are run by businessmen NOT doctors! Fact: pharma companies, like any other public company have shareholders to answer to. They do NOT answer to you or me. Fact: ANY company will pay for "reports" that are favourable to them.
Fact: doctors and scientists are NOT above having a price they can be bought for despit the high esteem we hold them up to. Is this a "conspiracy"? Get a grip, it's called business as usual in a Capitalist nation.
The difference between you and I is, just like religion, I do not put BLIND FAITH in science.
However, it's real easy to see you have no credibility here because you need to resort to insults, name-calling and even calling people bad mothers.
And unlike YOU I am NOT forcing my opinion down other people's throats. There is not ONE post where I've said NO ONE should get the shot. I've just explained MY reason for not getting it. But insult away if you think THAT'S gonna get your point across

[Proculation]

Akhenaten Akhenaten:

Proculation i suggest you go argue with Sergo who is well aware that this virus was active last year and provided a series of guess as to why it wasn't so bad.

Your earlier reasoning for getting the vaccine was because "1 in 3 chance is good enough for me to get it".

I said " So to tell(ing) people that they will 'probably experience illness' is absurd.

You responded:
1 in 3 is quite high in probability for me.


Thank you for the clarification: 1 in 10.

1 in 10 is flu cases each year. A very plausible scenario is 1 in 3 people getting the flu.

[Proculation]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

segno segno:

raydan raydan:

The first legal immunity granted to the producers of vaccines was almost 30 years ago for children vaccines. We're talking vaccines that have almost not changed at all since then so why do they still need legal immunity?

Because, judges and the people who sit on juries are not experts in science and/or epidemiology. All that someone would need to do is trot out some sort of sad-sounding story and all of the scientific evidence in the world would not convince them.

Heck, look at some of the people in this thread... people like PublicAnimalNo9 have illustrated both an incredible lack of ability to understand the fundamentals of science, AND an inability to acutally learn, understand and reason. He actually gets some of his information off hollocaust-deniers web sites, and doesn't even think to question the quality of the source. And there's just as much chance for him to be selected for jury duty as myself.

As opposed to all the wiki "sources" that have been posted in here? And if you'd even bother to have checked the link to the CDC's own site, you'd see that they have admittedly fudged flu numbers for over 20 years now! Save your invective and insults for someone who actually gives a shit what you think about them. I understand the fundamentals of science, apparently YOU have an issue with understanding the fundamnetals of Capitalism. Fact: Pharma companies are run by businessmen NOT doctors! Fact: pharma companies, like any other public company have shareholders to answer to. They do NOT answer to you or me. Fact: ANY company will pay for "reports" that are favourable to them.
Fact: doctors and scientists are NOT above having a price they can be bought for despit the high esteem we hold them up to. Is this a "conspiracy"? Get a grip, it's called business as usual in a Capitalist nation.
The difference between you and I is, just like religion, I do not put BLIND FAITH in science.
However, it's real easy to see you have no credibility here because you need to resort to insults, name-calling and even calling people bad mothers.
And unlike YOU I am NOT forcing my opinion down other people's throats. There is not ONE post where I've said NO ONE should get the shot. I've just explained MY reason for not getting it. But insult away if you think THAT'S gonna get your point across

Here come the conspiracy theories again !!

[Akhenaten]

Proculation Proculation:

Akhenaten Akhenaten:

Proculation i suggest you go argue with Sergo who is well aware that this virus was active last year and provided a series of guess as to why it wasn't so bad.

Your earlier reasoning for getting the vaccine was because "1 in 3 chance is good enough for me to get it".

I said " So to tell(ing) people that they will 'probably experience illness' is absurd.

You responded:
1 in 3 is quite high in probability for me.


Thank you for the clarification: 1 in 10.

1 in 10 is flu cases each year. A very plausible scenario is 1 in 3 people getting the flu.

Buuuuut you don't want to try the experiment I suggested. There are plenty of people here who say they wont take the vaccine so we could compare the results in a couple of months.

[raydan]

Proculation Proculation:

Here come the conspiracy theories again !!

I don't go the conspiracy theories route at all, but think a bit about what PA9 wrote.
I know a lot of doctors have shares in pharmaceuticals.
I had a lot of doctors as clients when I worked in commercial financing.
Doctors and pharmaceuticals go hand in hand, don't believe the contrary.

[Proculation]

Akhenaten Akhenaten:

Proculation Proculation:

Akhenaten Akhenaten:

Proculation i suggest you go argue with Sergo who is well aware that this virus was active last year and provided a series of guess as to why it wasn't so bad.

Your earlier reasoning for getting the vaccine was because "1 in 3 chance is good enough for me to get it".

I said " So to tell(ing) people that they will 'probably experience illness' is absurd.

You responded:
1 in 3 is quite high in probability for me.


Thank you for the clarification: 1 in 10.

1 in 10 is flu cases each year. A very plausible scenario is 1 in 3 people getting the flu.

Buuuuut you don't want to try the experiment I suggested. There are plenty of people here who say they wont take the vaccine so we could compare the results in a couple of months.

Yeah why not. We can also ask to people who took it if they died in big sufferings from the evil vaccine built by an evil elite to reduce world population with the help of those evil capitalists !

[PublicAnimalNo9]

It's NOT a conspiracy! It's called BUSINESS AS USUAL! But I guess you can't handle the fact that it does happen, like it or not. And it doesn't just happen in the pharma industry. This pretty much applies to ANY industry within the USA.
With free and unfettered capitalism you have profiteers making money at the expense of others. If you honestly believe the pharma industry in the US is any different, I suggest you get a script from them for those delusions.

[Proculation]

raydan raydan:

Proculation Proculation:

Here come the conspiracy theories again !!

I don't go the conspiracy theories route at all, but think a bit about what PA9 wrote.
I know a lot of doctors have shares in pharmaceuticals.
I had a lot of doctors as clients when I worked in commercial financing.
Doctors and pharmaceuticals go hand in hand, don't believe the contrary.

Of course, pharmaceuticals are good investments with the aging of population. But thinking that this is a big scheme to steal money from us, sorry but that's a conspiracy theory based on nothing factual. Occam's razor is a good way of thinking more scientifically.

[Proculation]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

It's NOT a conspiracy! It's called BUSINESS AS USUAL! But I guess you can't handle the fact that it does happen, like it or not. And it doesn't just happen in the pharma industry. This pretty much applies to ANY industry within the USA.
With free and unfettered capitalism you have profiteers making money at the expense of others. If you honestly believe the pharma industry in the US is any different, I suggest you get a script from them for those delusions.

Be careful outside. The CIA might detect your brain waves and find that you uncovered the evil Big Pharma plan to dominate the world !

[Brenda]

Ohhh! Chem Trails!!