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PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 5:53 pm
 


Lemmy Lemmy:
About 6 or 7 years ago, I was leaving campus to go downtown for lunch. It was a snowy December day. A car pulled out of a student lot and rammed into my car. The driver wasn't paying attention and failed to yield from the lot (and was charged by the police for failing to yield). I got out of my car, asked if they were "fucking stupid?" and strung off a few other f-bombs. This wasn't on university property, it was on a public street. There was AMAZINGLY no damage to my car (I think the snow on the road meant that he just plowed me a little ways down the road and spun me around.)

The next day I got called into the Dean's office and was asked if I swore at a student. I told him that I wouldn't answer any questions about ANYTHING I did off campus during non-work hours. The next day, the Dean, along with a witness, delivered me a "disciplinary letter" that was being placed in my personnel file for using profanity. I had to apply to have that letter removed from my file after 1 year. At that hearing, I had to swear :lol: that I had not used profanity in the presence of any students in the past 12 months.

Sure, teachers say "Sit your ass down" all the time. If they do, and someone complains, they will be written up for it (same with doctors, lawyers, veterinarians or any other professionals). If you don't believe that, then I suggest you ask a professional yourself. Do their codes of professional conduct say "no swearing"? No, that's the whole point. That conduct is UNDERSTOOD to be expected of a professional.

From the Ontario College of Teachers: http://www.oct.ca/octsitesearch/default ... =profanity -- disciplinary rulings for teachers' uses of profanity in Ontario. These are just the ones that get sent to the College of Teachers. Less serious complaints are dealt with by the principal and end up with teachers either receiving disciplinary letters in their personnel files or suspensions (yes, teachers can get suspended too).

If you truly think that teachers and doctors are allowed to swear and won't be disciplined if there's a complaint, then you're living in fantasy land. As I've shown, that can extend to circumstances well away from the classroom or hospital.

So, either cops are professionals or they aren't. I think highly enough of them that I think they ARE professionals. Or, maybe they're not professionals. Maybe they're just hired help like furniture movers, factroy grunts and swab-jockies. If that's what they are, then let them curse up a storm. But don't go telling me that professionals are allowed to swear, because I know from personal experience that we aren't.



Come on Lemmy, you just don't like cops.

Every thread on anything law-enforcement related over the past few months, as in since you started posting, has entailed you telling us all how crap cops are.

I get it. You don't like cops.

Off your meds mate or just gang banged in an alley by a Toronto Tac team exploring their gay side?

Where is this hatred from?


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 6:00 pm
 


You can't compare the working environments of teachers, doctors, and cops.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 6:15 pm
 


I know if i was a cop, I'd be swearing all the time.

"License and fucking registration please."


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EyeBrock EyeBrock:
Come on Lemmy, you just don't like cops.

Every thread on anything law-enforcement related over the past few months, as in since you started posting, has entailed you telling us all how crap cops are.

I get it. You don't like cops.


Not true. I think I'd like cops more if they didn't have tasers and didn't swear on the job.

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Off your meds mate or just gang banged in an alley by a Toronto Tac team exploring their gay side?

Where is this hatred from?


It's from your own skull. I have no hatred for cops. And, yes, I'm off my meds, my fake-Limey-wannabe friend. Wasn't it you that suggested that? I can't respond to your second ad hominem attack because I just don't know what the hell a "tac" team is. :lol:


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Lemmy Lemmy:
EyeBrock EyeBrock:
Come on Lemmy, you just don't like cops.

Every thread on anything law-enforcement related over the past few months, as in since you started posting, has entailed you telling us all how crap cops are.

I get it. You don't like cops.


Not true. I think I'd like cops more if they didn't have tasers and didn't swear on the job.

EyeBrock EyeBrock:
Off your meds mate or just gang banged in an alley by a Toronto Tac team exploring their gay side?

Where is this hatred from?


It's from your own skull. I have no hatred for cops. And, yes, I'm off my meds, my fake-Limey-wannabe friend. Wasn't it you that suggested that? I can't respond to your second ad hominem attack because I just don't know what the hell a "tac" team is. :lol:


Tac = Tactical as in SWAT type unit. Think Flashpoint the new TV series.

Don't worry Lemmy, he thinks everybody is off their meds because he frequently does it.

Just throw out a few racist remarks about muslims, or frenchies, or Quebec and he be your best bud. :lol:


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Lemmy Lemmy:
EyeBrock EyeBrock:
Come on Lemmy, you just don't like cops.

Every thread on anything law-enforcement related over the past few months, as in since you started posting, has entailed you telling us all how crap cops are.

I get it. You don't like cops.


Not true. I think I'd like cops more if they didn't have tasers and didn't swear on the job.


Cops having tasers is a lot better than cops with guns. The problem with tasers is that cops haven't been taught proper discretion for when to use them, so they just use them all the time.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 8:36 pm
 


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Cops having tasers is a lot better than cops with guns. The problem with tasers is that cops haven't been taught proper discretion for when to use them, so they just use them all the time.

Actually I think they've been using them exactly as they've been trained. However the lethality of them wasn't known until recently and their policies haven't kept up with what we know now.


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RUEZ RUEZ:
Actually I think they've been using them exactly as they've been trained. However the lethality of them wasn't known until recently and their policies haven't kept up with what we know now.


I absolutely think that's true. So where's the problem? Is it the policy/training? And it's not just the lethality, it's the injury and the numbers of both.


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Lemmy Lemmy:
RUEZ RUEZ:
Actually I think they've been using them exactly as they've been trained. However the lethality of them wasn't known until recently and their policies haven't kept up with what we know now.


I absolutely think that's true. So where's the problem? Is the policy/training? And it's not just the lethality, it's the injury and the numbers of both.


I think the answer to that is quite simple, don't commit a crime. If you feel you must then when the police have the audacity to do their job and catch you, don't act like a dick, resist, threaten them and no one will likely get tased. It's not the police or the tasers that are the problem, it's the dipshits that give them reason to use them that are the problem. :?


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 8:52 pm
 


What about the folks that get tasered who haven't committed a crime, or a crime that the punishment for would be less than a public whipping...err...tasering?


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Lemmy Lemmy:
What about the folks that get tasered who haven't committed a crime, or a crime that the punishment for would be less than a public whipping...err...tasering?

Not to mention that people are presumed innocent until proven guilty. Being arrested doesn't mean you've commited a crime.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 9:01 pm
 


Lemmy Lemmy:
What about the folks that get tasered who haven't committed a crime, or a crime that the punishment for would be less than a public whipping...err...tasering?


Ummm I don't think too many officers taser people just for kicks. They also don't taser them dependent on the level of crime, they use the taser to subdue a suspect, weather you are shoplifting and resisting or wielding a knife in public is irrelevant. Taser's are used for the protection of the officer and the public. If someone dies from the effects of the taser they have only themselves to blame for that.


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I think I have a solution: the cops can only swear at folks while they're tasering them, and vice versa. I'd support the use of tasers so long as they curse the fucker out while they're zapping him/her.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 9:06 pm
 


RUEZ RUEZ:
Lemmy Lemmy:
What about the folks that get tasered who haven't committed a crime, or a crime that the punishment for would be less than a public whipping...err...tasering?

Not to mention that people are presumed innocent until proven guilty. Being arrested doesn't mean you've commited a crime.


Presumption of guilt has nothing to do with it. If you resist arrest, are combative you will be tased. If you let them put the cuffs on without throwing fits you won't be tased. It doesn't go cuff/rights read/ oh hells lets taser this guy just to see if he'll die. :?


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Lemmy Lemmy:
I think I have a solution: the cops can only swear at folks while they're tasering them, and vice versa. I'd support the use of tasers so long as they curse the fucker out while their zapping him/her.


Ahhh yeah ok Lemmy [huh]


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