[Pseudonym]

OPP OPP:

Religion is to some extent culture becaus christian and muslim values have become law in most countries in the world but most of these values are shared by religious and atheist people alike. So I wouldn't call religion culture.

Btw, here in Sweden, atleast, and I would be surprised if it was any different in Canada or any other part of the world, the extreme left groups/organizations are at it's core anti racist. Many of them exist for this sole purpose.
Fascism is the direct opposite of socialism so I don't see how you could possibly be a left wing racist???

I think the point is that Muslim/Arab culture is so heavily entangled with religion to the point where it becomes almost impossible to separate the two. So when you have people trying to identify Muslim terrorists they get hit with both accusations of cultural and religious discrimination.

Also, I think you are confusing fascism with racism and fascism with "rightward" views. They do not necessarily correlate.

The Black Panther Party would be a good example of left wing racism.

[OPP]

Pseudonym Pseudonym:

OPP OPP:

Religion is to some extent culture becaus christian and muslim values have become law in most countries in the world but most of these values are shared by religious and atheist people alike. So I wouldn't call religion culture.

Btw, here in Sweden, atleast, and I would be surprised if it was any different in Canada or any other part of the world, the extreme left groups/organizations are at it's core anti racist. Many of them exist for this sole purpose.
Fascism is the direct opposite of socialism so I don't see how you could possibly be a left wing racist???

I think the point is that Muslim/Arab culture is so heavily entangled with religion to the point where it becomes almost impossible to separate the two. So when you have people trying to identify Muslim terrorists they get hit with both accusations of cultural and religious discrimination.

Also, I think you are confusing fascism with racism and fascism with "rightward" views. They do not necessarily correlate.

The Black Panther Party would be a good example of left wing racism.

Fascism is a heavily nationalistic ideology. The opposite of fascism would therefor be an ideology that favours multiculturalism.

The Black Panthers were unable to unite under a clear ideology. There were those who favoured socialism and there were those who favoured anarchism.

[Pseudonym]

But if you define fascism as a heavily nationalistic ideology, it is no longer the opposite of socialism, and it loses its meaning as a governmental system. Unless we are now defining socialism as THE multicultural ideology and fascism as THE monocultural ideology. In that case, your spectrum seems as though it would be something other than the typical conservative-liberal line, which is itself debatable anyway.

I'll grant you the Black Panthers were divided, but I will maintain that there was racism present in the Black Panther Party, and I can't see how the socialists would have been the only ones exempt from it.

Perhaps we could conjecture that racists might be more likely to favor ideologies that they could more easily hide their irrational prejudices in. That way we are no longer criticizing the ideologies themselves but rather the "bad men" who hide themselves within them.

[OPP]

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But if you define fascism as a heavily nationalistic ideology, it is no longer the opposite of socialism, and it loses its meaning as a governmental system. Unless we are now defining socialism as THE multicultural ideology and fascism as THE monocultural ideology. In that case, your spectrum seems as though it would be something other than the typical conservative-liberal line, which is itself debatable anyway.

Socialist unite under the ideology and not under a nations flag. It's an ideology for global justice and solidarity.

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I'll grant you the Black Panthers were divided, but I will maintain that there was racism present in the Black Panther Party, and I can't see how the socialists would have been the only ones exempt from it.

Perhaps we could conjecture that racists might be more likely to favor ideologies that they could more easily hide their irrational prejudices in. That way we are no longer criticizing the ideologies themselves but rather the "bad men" who hide themselves within them.

It's possible. But I'd say that in this case it was more likely angry young black men and women who were not necessarily aware of any ideology at all. They united to defend themselfs from an government sponsored oppression to their people.
Political ideologies grew out of this and their failure to unite under any ideology is what ultimately made the Panthers dissolve.

[hwacker]

"It's an ideology for global justice and solidarity"

and a pipe dream for hippies and pot smokers



get realy will you, this world will never be utopia. EVER

[MacDonaill]

hwacker hwacker:

"It's an ideology for global justice and solidarity"

and a pipe dream for hippies and pot smokers



get realy will you, this world will never be utopia. EVER

So I guess we should all just say fuck it and not try to make things at least better for everyone, even if we know we'll always fall short of perfection? Sounds pretty pessimistic to me.

[OPP]

hwacker hwacker:

"It's an ideology for global justice and solidarity"

and a pipe dream for hippies and pot smokers



get realy will you, this world will never be utopia. EVER

Some are confident that that is infact what is happening now with globalization and the call for a one world government by presidents of both europe and america. The European Union, the African Union, the Union of South American Nations and the coming North American Union. It all points to one thing; one world government.

A socialist utopia, as you call it, will never come to be with a free market system. Infact, I don't believe it's even possible with a monetary system.

[Pseudonym]

A socialist utopia will be possible when they kill off the sense of self-interest present in all beings.

[OPP]

Pseudonym Pseudonym:

A socialist utopia will be possible when they kill off the sense of self-interest present in all beings.

Self interest is to preserve and defend a healthy society.

[Zipperfish]

hwacker hwacker:

"It's an ideology for global justice and solidarity"

and a pipe dream for hippies and pot smokers



get realy will you, this world will never be utopia. EVER

That's an interesting statement since utopia, from the original Grek, has two meanings. One is the "ideal place" and the other is "the place that cannot be."

[Zipperfish]

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A socialist utopia will be possible when they kill off the sense of self-interest present in all beings.

Egg-zack-ky. That said, however, unchecked capiatlism is toxic in its own right. It was let go iwiht international banking, and now govermm,etns the world over must pour trillions of taxpayers money-much of it the sweat of the middle calss--in what is a essentially a massive wealth distribution scheme from the poor to the rich.

So while I don't believe in socilaism, nor do I subscribe to the notion that the free market can cure all ills. There's a legitimate role for government, and it shouldn't be such a dirty word.

[OPP]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Pseudonym Pseudonym:

A socialist utopia will be possible when they kill off the sense of self-interest present in all beings.

Egg-zack-ky. That said, however, unchecked capiatlism is toxic in its own right. It was let go iwiht international banking, and now govermm,etns the world over must pour trillions of taxpayers money-much of it the sweat of the middle calss--in what is a essentially a massive wealth distribution scheme from the poor to the rich.

So while I don't believe in socilaism, nor do I subscribe to the notion that the free market can cure all ills. There's a legitimate role for government, and it shouldn't be such a dirty word.

Greed, selfishnes and misstrust is not human traits by design. We preserve our interests by preserving the interests of our fellow man. A functioning society in itself is proof of this.

[Pseudonym]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Pseudonym Pseudonym:

A socialist utopia will be possible when they kill off the sense of self-interest present in all beings.

Egg-zack-ky. That said, however, unchecked capiatlism is toxic in its own right. It was let go iwiht international banking, and now govermm,etns the world over must pour trillions of taxpayers money-much of it the sweat of the middle calss--in what is a essentially a massive wealth distribution scheme from the poor to the rich.

So while I don't believe in socilaism, nor do I subscribe to the notion that the free market can cure all ills. There's a legitimate role for government, and it shouldn't be such a dirty word.

Very true. The only way capitalism itself can actually function at all is if there are strong guarantees on personal property and tolerable levels of corruption. The reason government is almost always a dirty word to conservatives, however, at least down here, is because government has vastly overstepped its boundaries. I have a good P.J. O'Rourke essay on the subject I could link if you care to read it. I believe it is an excellent explanation of conservatism and how conservative governments should behave.

[Pseudonym]

OPP OPP:

Pseudonym Pseudonym:

A socialist utopia will be possible when they kill off the sense of self-interest present in all beings.

Self interest is to preserve and defend a healthy society.

Self-interest is the desire to preserve and defend one's self and one's own. Pure socialism requires you to subsume your own needs and wants to the whole, which will not occur on a large enough scale to be viable. Semi-socialist systems have been seen to function for a while though. The efficacy of such systems is an entirely different debate, however.

[hwacker]

OPP OPP:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Pseudonym Pseudonym:

A socialist utopia will be possible when they kill off the sense of self-interest present in all beings.

Egg-zack-ky. That said, however, unchecked capiatlism is toxic in its own right. It was let go iwiht international banking, and now govermm,etns the world over must pour trillions of taxpayers money-much of it the sweat of the middle calss--in what is a essentially a massive wealth distribution scheme from the poor to the rich.

So while I don't believe in socilaism, nor do I subscribe to the notion that the free market can cure all ills. There's a legitimate role for government, and it shouldn't be such a dirty word.

Greed, selfishnes and misstrust is not human traits by design. We preserve our interests by preserving the interests of our fellow man. A functioning society in itself is proof of this.

W0W they really brainwash you guys in utopiaville don't they.


what happened to the vikings ?