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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 10:44 am
Why so complicated? Why so expensive??
In The Anarky, such perps are set free........ in the middle of town square with PEDO branded on their foreheads.
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:44 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson: It is true. That still doesn't change the fact that the majority of the assaults are against boys. That's not true. About two-thirds of cases are men against girls. If your assumption that homosexual men are far more likely to commit sexual abuse against children, that wouldn't be the case.
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:48 pm
Tricks Tricks: I posted a full study that directly contradicts this. That article is using old data, the following study was published a year after that article with updated data. As I said above, it's a matter of access. http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-action/ ... 0-2010.pdf$1: Table 5.2 shows the gender of victims by five-year intervals. Interestingly, an increase in the number of male victims occurred during the peak years of the abuse crisis. Two explanations for this trend are possible: first, it can be hypothesized that priests would have been seeking out male victims to abuse, or alternatively, it can be hypothesized that priests would have been abusing the victims to whom they had access. If the first hypothesis is supported, an indication of this activity would be found in the clinical (individual-level) data. In other words, more men would be driven by pathologies related to the sexual abuse of minors. The clinical data do not support this explanation (see Chapter 3). If the second hypothesis is supported, then priests would have had more access to males and would have been committing more offenses with those to whom they had access. Though it is difficult to test this hypothesis with retrospective data, this assertion is supported by additional data, shown below in Table 5.2 and Figure 5.2. The data show that the highest percentage of males were abused at the peak of the crisis. This finding also corresponds with the highest levels of alcohol/substance use during the abuse time period, which is consistent with the literature on “situational” abuse of minors.459 Additionally, it should be noted that altar servers could only be male until the promulgation to the revisions of canon law in 1983 (and confirmed through letters from Pope John Paul II in 1992). The Table and Figure below show the substantial increase in the percentage of female victims in the late 1990s and 2000s, when priests had more access to them in the church. Interesting. So during the most recent 5 year span the priests went from being pederasts to pedophiles? If that assertion is true their theory that with the inclusion of more female children into the life of the Church it just gave them more variety in their depravities might just be true or it might be something completely different. I've got a theory but, I could be wrong. I think that in years past pederasts gravitated towards institutions like the Catholic Church because they're traditional male only bastions. These guys lived by choice in male dominated societies from the time they entered the Seminary right up till when and if they become the pope. So, when you look at it in that light it only makes sense that women were never their targets. But, now that times have changed and the Church and society has become much more open to all sexuality it's given perverts of every proclivity the same opportunities to hunt down easy targets that the previous generations of priests used to hold exclusively which, is why we're seeing many more girls being abused. So, if my theory is true and the Catholic Church allows priest to get married but the ratio doesn't change then it was never about sex at all but about power and opportunity.
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 1:26 pm
Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy: So, if my theory is true and the Catholic Church allows priest to get married but the ratio doesn't change then it was never about sex at all but about power and opportunity. I would agree with this.
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 1:43 pm
Tricks Tricks: Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy: So, if my theory is true and the Catholic Church allows priest to get married but the ratio doesn't change then it was never about sex at all but about power and opportunity. I would agree with this. Ditto. And the failed policy of celibacy in the clergy needs to end. Or else the Catholic Churches and the hierarchies behind them need to be seized and shut down for the criminal organizations that they have so clearly become.
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 1:54 pm
Tragically comical and comically tragic, both at the same time. Sigh. https://www.theonion.com/vatican-on-sex ... 1828426080$1: VATICAN CITY—Following a Pennsylvania grand jury’s report on widespread sexual abuse of children by priests and a cover-up that spanned decades, the Vatican released a statement Friday saying “listen, no normal person is going to sign up to be a priest.”
“Look, we ask an awful lot of ordained priests and make them follow all these bizarre rules, so it shouldn’t be surprising that we have trouble finding people who aren’t degenerate creeps,” said Pope Francis, adding that although the Vatican would encourage members of the clergy to stop engaging in child abuse, there ultimately wasn’t that much they could do since the Church’s mandate of celibacy and its tacit acceptance of child abusers “basically turns away all well-adjusted, reasonable people at the door.”
“It’s only gotten worse over the years because regular people would much rather have actual experiences in the real world than be cooped up in a rectory insisting that they’re married to God or whatever. We’d bet that if we relaxed the rules, reformed the power dynamics, and allowed priests to marry and have sex, we wouldn’t be overrun by monsters who can’t function in normal society, but we’re not going to do that, so it’s just going to be a bunch of freaks and deviants from here on out. Honestly, the way the Church currently operates is pretty much designed to appeal only to sick fucks who know they’ll get away with moral atrocities, if you think about it.”
Vatican officials also defended priests who have been accused of child abuse over the past several decades saying that, at this point, given all of the available information, only an incredibly negligent parent would allow a child to be associated with the Catholic Church in any way.
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:04 pm
If I ever happen to meet Sergio Obeso Rivera I swear before God and all that is Holy that I will beat this (censored) (censored) bastard to a bloody pulp. And that's if I'm in a good mood. https://cruxnow.com/church-in-the-ameri ... wn-closet/$1: Mexican cardinal says abuse victims should think about skeletons in their own closet
DUBLIN-Swimming against the tide of promises to crack down on abuse and cover-up led by Pope Francis, a newly created Mexican cardinal said that some accusers should be “ashamed” to point their finger at clerics because many of them have skeletons in their own closets.
The victims of pedophilia who “accuse men of the Church should [be careful] because they have long tails that are easily stepped on,” said Cardinal Sergio Obeso Rivera.
The cardinal, emeritus Archbishop of Xalapa, in Veracruz, Mexico, spoke to journalists before a celebration he led in his former diocese.
Even though he acknowledged that some allegations are true, he went after the victims and avoided referring to the Pennsylvania grand jury report in the United States that found some 300 abusive priests in a span of seven decades in six dioceses.
Obeso Rivera’s words came last week, after the report was made public.
“I’m here happy to talk about nice things, not about problematic things, it’s an accusation that is made, and in some cases it’s true. But the evil of many is the consolation of fools, because sometimes those who accuse men of the Church should [be careful] because they have long tails that are easily stepped on.”
However, he did say that the accusations “make us feel bad and we want to improve.”
Obeso Rivera was made a cardinal by Pope Francis on June 28. As the prelate is over 80, he will not be participating in the eventual conclave to choose the pontiff’s successor.
Mexico is the home of Father Marcial Maciel Degollado, founder of the Legionaries of Christ, who was found guilty by the Vatican of having sexually abused minors and young men. After his death, it was also revealed that he had maintained relationships with at least two women, fathering more than one child.
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:10 pm
It's a "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone" kinda thing... I've still got a pretty good arm, Bart. You bring the stones and let's go find the good Cardinal. 
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:15 pm
raydan raydan: It's a "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone" kinda thing... I've still got a pretty good arm, Bart. You bring the stones and let's go find the good Cardinal.  I can only hope the drug cartels get the fucker first. 
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:16 pm
That will be where the real horror stories lie, in the developing countries. It's bad enough what they get caught for in North America or Europe where their power over the governments has been dramatically reduced over the last century. But I can only imagine the endless list of centuries-long nightmarish things they've been doing in Central and South America where the church has been firmly ensconced in the social and government power system for the five hundred-plus years since the Spanish and Portuguese first arrived.
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:21 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson: The majority of the kids being molested are being molested at church and not in the Catholic schools. I don't doubt that the schools are a shitload of laughs themselves, but from what I've seen so far it's mostly parish priests committing the assaults typically on choir boys and altar boys. That makes me think of a fellow I worked with years ago who I remember his mentioning that was an altar boy when he was young. He would get very angry and agitated when any mention of homosexuality came up in conversation. I originally thought he was just homophobic and his Catholic upbringing taught him it wasn't "right" but then began to wonder more if something happened to him as a boy and the anger was related to that and perhaps he never had the opportunity to speak out about it. He likely is still haunted today.
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:15 pm
Thanos Thanos: Tragically comical and comically tragic, both at the same time. Sigh. https://www.theonion.com/vatican-on-sex ... 1828426080$1: VATICAN CITY—Following a Pennsylvania grand jury’s report on widespread sexual abuse of children by priests and a cover-up that spanned decades, the Vatican released a statement Friday saying “listen, no normal person is going to sign up to be a priest.”
“Look, we ask an awful lot of ordained priests and make them follow all these bizarre rules, so it shouldn’t be surprising that we have trouble finding people who aren’t degenerate creeps,” said Pope Francis, adding that although the Vatican would encourage members of the clergy to stop engaging in child abuse, there ultimately wasn’t that much they could do since the Church’s mandate of celibacy and its tacit acceptance of child abusers “basically turns away all well-adjusted, reasonable people at the door.”
“It’s only gotten worse over the years because regular people would much rather have actual experiences in the real world than be cooped up in a rectory insisting that they’re married to God or whatever. We’d bet that if we relaxed the rules, reformed the power dynamics, and allowed priests to marry and have sex, we wouldn’t be overrun by monsters who can’t function in normal society, but we’re not going to do that, so it’s just going to be a bunch of freaks and deviants from here on out. Honestly, the way the Church currently operates is pretty much designed to appeal only to sick fucks who know they’ll get away with moral atrocities, if you think about it.”
Vatican officials also defended priests who have been accused of child abuse over the past several decades saying that, at this point, given all of the available information, only an incredibly negligent parent would allow a child to be associated with the Catholic Church in any way. It is the Onion though.
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:16 pm
raydan raydan: It's a "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone" kinda thing... I've still got a pretty good arm, Bart. You bring the stones and let's go find the good Cardinal.  I'm sure I still know a few rep baseball players.
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:43 pm
Tricks Tricks: It is the Onion though. Unfortunately we only get a lot of the real truth via comedy these days.
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 10:07 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson: If I ever happen to meet Sergio Obeso Rivera I swear before God and all that is Holy that I will beat this (censored) (censored) bastard to a bloody pulp. And that's if I'm in a good mood. https://cruxnow.com/church-in-the-ameri ... wn-closet/$1: Mexican cardinal says abuse victims should think about skeletons in their own closet
DUBLIN-Swimming against the tide of promises to crack down on abuse and cover-up led by Pope Francis, a newly created Mexican cardinal said that some accusers should be “ashamed” to point their finger at clerics because many of them have skeletons in their own closets.
The victims of pedophilia who “accuse men of the Church should [be careful] because they have long tails that are easily stepped on,” said Cardinal Sergio Obeso Rivera.
The cardinal, emeritus Archbishop of Xalapa, in Veracruz, Mexico, spoke to journalists before a celebration he led in his former diocese.
Even though he acknowledged that some allegations are true, he went after the victims and avoided referring to the Pennsylvania grand jury report in the United States that found some 300 abusive priests in a span of seven decades in six dioceses.
Obeso Rivera’s words came last week, after the report was made public.
“I’m here happy to talk about nice things, not about problematic things, it’s an accusation that is made, and in some cases it’s true. But the evil of many is the consolation of fools, because sometimes those who accuse men of the Church should [be careful] because they have long tails that are easily stepped on.”
However, he did say that the accusations “make us feel bad and we want to improve.”
Obeso Rivera was made a cardinal by Pope Francis on June 28. As the prelate is over 80, he will not be participating in the eventual conclave to choose the pontiff’s successor.
Mexico is the home of Father Marcial Maciel Degollado, founder of the Legionaries of Christ, who was found guilty by the Vatican of having sexually abused minors and young men. After his death, it was also revealed that he had maintained relationships with at least two women, fathering more than one child. Lavrenti Beria did similar things with young children (girls)but he never claimed to be any kind of priest. I would burn this creature at the stake myself.
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