[Brenda]

Make sure you are up-wind from the smokers and let them. Gosh, it's OUTSIDE! Any idea how much shit is blown into the air that you inhale the moment you leave your bubble??

[martin14]

Brenda Brenda:

Make sure you are up-wind from the smokers and let them. Gosh, it's OUTSIDE! Any idea how much shit is blown into the air that you inhale the moment you leave your bubble??

yup, outside isnt good enough anymore.. just goes to show how Canadians
love their big government.

Funny the gov't sure seems to love the tax money though.

[andyt]

Brenda Brenda:

Make sure make sure smokers are downwind from non-smokers and let them. Gosh, it's OUTSIDE! Any idea how much shit is blown into the air that you inhale the moment you leave your bubble??

That's better. But smokers aren't considerate enough for that, hence the need for legislation.

Do you smoke around your kids? If not, why would you allow others to do so?

[Brenda]

I quit smoking, but yes, I did smoke around one of my kids. INSIDE even. BAD BAD mom!!!

THere is no need for legislation, there is need for common sense and common courtesy.

[Brenda]

martin14 martin14:

Brenda Brenda:

Make sure you are up-wind from the smokers and let them. Gosh, it's OUTSIDE! Any idea how much shit is blown into the air that you inhale the moment you leave your bubble??

yup, outside isnt good enough anymore.. just goes to show how Canadians
love their big government.

Funny the gov't sure seems to love the tax money though.

No shit.
Ban smoking all together (and stop collecting taxes) or stop bitching. Can't have it all.

[andyt]

Brenda Brenda:

I quit smoking, but yes, I did smoke around one of my kids. INSIDE even. BAD BAD mom!!!

THere is no need for legislation, there is need for common sense and common courtesy.

In today's society?

[Brenda]

andyt andyt:

Brenda Brenda:

I quit smoking, but yes, I did smoke around one of my kids. INSIDE even. BAD BAD mom!!!

THere is no need for legislation, there is need for common sense and common courtesy.

In today's society?

There you go.

What makes you think a government can fix ANY society with ridiculous little shit-laws? It only makes it worse.

[andyt]

Brenda Brenda:

andyt andyt:

Brenda Brenda:

I quit smoking, but yes, I did smoke around one of my kids. INSIDE even. BAD BAD mom!!!

THere is no need for legislation, there is need for common sense and common courtesy.

In today's society?

There you go.

What makes you think a government can fix ANY society with ridiculous little shit-laws? It only makes it worse.

Nope - it gives some ammunition to the non-smokers to ask the smokers to find somewhere else to toke up.

[Brenda]

andyt andyt:

Nope - it gives some ammunition to the non-smokers to ask the smokers to find somewhere else to toke up.

OUTSIDE???
Give me a break.
In your own home, fine.
In a restaurant, fine.
But in a freaking PARK???

Maybe I can ask all the people who smell to get out of my way too?

[Choban]

$1:

If smokers were more courteous and wouldn't smoke near people who don't then maybe it wouldn't come to this. Althoug, as the article says, cigarette butts are also a huge problem, and smokers seem to have no care about strewing them everywhere.

Well said Andy and true for the most part, though in my experience it tends to be the tens/young adults that display these behavious, again it's the minority ruining it for the majority. My whole problem with the issue isn't so much the ban itelf rather the government interfearance in our lives.

[andyt]

Choban Choban:

$1:

If smokers were more courteous and wouldn't smoke near people who don't then maybe it wouldn't come to this. Althoug, as the article says, cigarette butts are also a huge problem, and smokers seem to have no care about strewing them everywhere.

Well said Andy and true for the most part, though in my experience it tends to be the tens/young adults that display these behavious, again it's the minority ruining it for the majority. My whole problem with the issue isn't so much the ban itelf rather the government interfearance in our lives.

I don't know how often I see a group of people in the rain at a bus stop, while a single smoker sits under cover in the shelter.

Our society has changed. At one time we had common mores and they were enforced informally (sometimes violently so). At one time, women smoking in public was seen as immoral. Things are different now.

[Choban]

$1:

I don't know how often I see a group of people in the rain at a bus stop, while a single smoker sits under cover in the shelter.

I see it too and don't really understand why it happens, Majority rules to me and I myself would never subjcet someone to that sort of treatment, All the bus shelters here plainly and clearly say no smoking on them, I would guess that someone could at least pull out their cell phone and call bylaw enforcement.

[bootlegga]

stratos stratos:

So if I want to smoke at the park i'm not allowed. I always wonder why those who don't smoke say my smokeing infringes on them yet when smokeing is banned does it not infringe on the smokers. This is outside, exhuast from a car is far worse then that of a cig. Will they ban cars coming to the park next? Better yet bird craping from a tree you are under utterly gross lets ban birds from the parks.

True, but you don't find many cars in the middle of the park at the picnic sites (at least in Edmonton, the parking lots are at least 50 feet - if not further from picnic sites). That's my beef. If I want to go to the park for a picnic or to toss a frisbee, I shouldn't have to choke on some guy's cigarette smoke a few feet away from me.

The reason I went to the park in the first place was for fresh air. If I wanted to smell like cigarette smoke, I'd have gone to a casino or a bar instead.

EDIT - I see Andy beat me to the punch...

I think the easiest way to deal with this it to create smoking areas (just like restaurants used to have non-smoking areas) at the park so everyone can enjoy the park in the manner they choose.

[bootlegga]

Brenda Brenda:

THere is no need for legislation, there is need for common sense and common courtesy.

If more smokers had the common sense and courtesy you speak of, then legislation like this wouldn't be necessary. However legislation like this gives bylaw officers the right to hand out tickets to offenders. It seems that some people will only change their attitudes when it impacts them financially. Even then, some people don't give a shit.

The problem is that too many smokers (I won't generalize and say all, but a lot of them) don't give a shit about the rules the government puts in place anyways. In Edmonton, it is against the law to smoke within 5 metres of a doorway, yet if you walk outside on a cool (or windy) day, there's usually at least one addict out there, standing right beside the door. Why, because it's cold! Boo, fucking hoo...

Same goes for bus shelters, smokers often fill them full of blue smoke and make those who aren't willing to inhale their poisons stand outside.

[andyt]

Brenda Brenda:

andyt andyt:

Nope - it gives some ammunition to the non-smokers to ask the smokers to find somewhere else to toke up.

OUTSIDE???
Give me a break.
In your own home, fine.
In a restaurant, fine.
But in a freaking PARK???

Maybe I can ask all the people who smell to get out of my way too?

That's the next step and way overdue. Transit should have sniffers installed, and refuse entry to the stinkos. That includes those who don't use deoderant and those who seem to bathe in perfume. On a hot, busy day it can be pretty intense.

Have you actually ever been to Vancouver's popular parks or beaches in the summer? It's cheek by jowl, so if somebody blazes up, it affects a lot of people.