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newfette newfette:

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newfette newfette:

now you're straying off topic. I know what i believe and I dont have to defend it. why can't there be tollerance for both sides of the argument?

But there isn't tolerance for both. The fact that the mention of god is in there proves that. Replace god with the Force. How many people would be jumping up and down whining. There isn't tolerance. Or the FSM.

but what i'm saying is that there SHOULD be tolerance.

Then take it out so it's all inclusive, because right now it isn't.

[hurley_108]

newfette newfette:

here in newfoundland in the smaller communities the graduating class goes to church before the graduation ceremony, different places have different beliefs.

Honest question: What if you don't go to the church? Can you still go to the rest of the ceremonies? It's okay if you don't know, it might not come up all that much.

$1:

what makes me mad is when people start to think that their beliefs are better or moer important than someone elses

I agree completely.

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newfette newfette:

here in newfoundland in the smaller communities the graduating class goes to church before the graduation ceremony, different places have different beliefs.

Can students opt out of it?

$1:

what makes me mad is when people start to think that their beliefs are better or moer important than someone elses

By wanting this to stay, you are saying yours is more important.

[hurley_108]

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newfette newfette:

but what i'm saying is that there SHOULD be tolerance.

Then take it out so it's all inclusive, because right now it isn't.

But it's not very inclusive to exclude faith.

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hurley_108 hurley_108:

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newfette newfette:

but what i'm saying is that there SHOULD be tolerance.

Then take it out so it's all inclusive, because right now it isn't.

But it's not very inclusive to exclude faith.

Why not? Right now it's being forced unto the students. Albeit in a very small way. The atheist students are left out. Take it out, and no one is left out. It doesn't have to mention faith. There is no reason to have it. As of right now it excludes probably a very large portion of students.

[newfette]

I dont know if students can opt out of it. I think they can but its not something that was done in my school so I can't say for certain,

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what makes me mad is when people start to think that their beliefs are better or moer important than someone elses

By wanting this to stay, you are saying yours is more important.

by taking it out you are saying that yours are more important

[roger-roger]

You do not have to believe in God to study religion, as you do not have to be an athiest to be a scientist, it helps though.

[newfette]

Tricks Tricks:

Why not? Right now it's being forced unto the students. Albeit in a very small way. The atheist students are left out. Take it out, and no one is left out. It doesn't have to mention faith. There is no reason to have it. As of right now it excludes probably a very large portion of students.

you believe theres no reason to have it because you dont believe in it. for someone like myself I do believe in it and i would want it there.

i think you are overestimating the amout of people it excludes. just because one group of people makes more noise than the other doesn't mean they are the bigger group. some people are just private about what they believe, I am one of those people. with the exception of this conversation most people, including those i work with, dont even know i go to church. and i'm ok with that. but its the little things, the mention of God in something like the Naval Prayer when I was an officer with cadets or saying grace before dinner that mean the most to me. its the little reminders that I like.

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newfette newfette:

by taking it out you are saying that yours are more important

Nope. Taking it out means it's not forced upon people who don't want it. Universities are supposed to be secular. I don't care if people are religious, just don't connect me to it in any way.

[DerbyX]

Eisensapper Eisensapper:

You do not have to believe in God to study religion, as you do not have to be an athiest to be a scientist, it helps though.

One requires faith and the other requires logic. A big ass grant helps both I'll wager.

[newfette]

Eisensapper Eisensapper:

You do not have to believe in God to study religion, as you do not have to be an athiest to be a scientist, it helps though.

if this was somewhere like MIT then i can see how the argument that it shouldn't be there would exist. but not in this case.

In a Conservative province in a university with a religious studies program i believe it should be there, and the best form of tolerance is those who dont believe in it should just close their ears for the 30 seconds its talked about

[newfette]

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newfette newfette:

by taking it out you are saying that yours are more important

Nope. Taking it out means it's not forced upon people who don't want it. Universities are supposed to be secular. I don't care if people are religious, just don't connect me to it in any way.

by the sounds of it, its briefly mentioned in a speech. its not like you're being forced to sit through a church service or saying you need to be baptised or anything

[hurley_108]

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Why not? Right now it's being forced unto the students. Albeit in a very small way. The atheist students are left out. Take it out, and no one is left out. It doesn't have to mention faith. There is no reason to have it. As of right now it excludes probably a very large portion of students.

Take it out and it's a deliberate snub of those students who believe. Take it out and you remove a powerful couple of words that say what a hundred would otherwise have to be said about the purpose of higher education. Any atheist with a truly open mind can hear a reference to god and understand the subtext without feelign the need to plug their ears with their fingers and shout "LA LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!"

[sandorski]

You guys just don't get it. If a stranger doesn't stand before you and talk to an invisible Man in the sky, we'll all die horribly!!!

Don't get me killed man!!!

[bootlegga]

newfette newfette:

Eisensapper Eisensapper:

You do not have to believe in God to study religion, as you do not have to be an athiest to be a scientist, it helps though.

if this was somewhere like MIT then i can see how the argument that it shouldn't be there would exist. but not in this case.

In a Conservative province in a university with a religious studies program i believe it should be there,

Neither of those are good reasons at all, especially given that the Conservatives support in Edmonton is far lower than the rest of the province. At the provincial level, most of the opposition is from here, and even at the federal level, one (or more) non-Conservatives sneak in usually. And many large universities in Canada have religious studies programs, so that's not a valid reason either.

There should be rational reasons for why God has to be mentioned in a convocation ceremony. If it's there in 2010 when I hopefully get my Masters, I won't care one way or another.