[BartSimpson]

Thanos Thanos:

The abuse of Catholic kids happens in Catholic schools, not public ones

The majority of the kids being molested are being molested at church and not in the Catholic schools. I don't doubt that the schools are a shitload of laughs themselves, but from what I've seen so far it's mostly parish priests committing the assaults typically on choir boys and altar boys.

[BartSimpson]

Tricks Tricks:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

First, the Catholic priests tend to go for pederasty and not pedophilia.

Semantics.

It's not a mere semantic difference.

Pederasty is the abuse of pubescent adolescents.

Pedophilia is the abuse of pre-pubescent children.

Abusing a 14yo is horrid, but abusing a 4yo is no mere semantic difference and the two crimes are NOT equal.

[Thanos]

No, but it's the schools that teach and re-enforce the reflex to be docile and co-operative with religious authorities. The deviants exploit that indoctrination to make themselves untouchable because they know the victims will be too scared to complain about what's being done to them.

Like Hitchens kept saying, wherever you find religion you'll find victims, most often children and women, of those who say they're speaking directly for God. It's a reality that's as old as the human race.

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Abusing a 14yo is horrid, but abusing a 4yo is no mere semantic difference and the two crimes are NOT equal.

That's the trick that apologist scumbags for the church like Bill Donohue like to pull when these things get made public, that an age difference somehow makes a crime less horrible the older the victim is. That's always their first reaction, cover for the church through the process of denigrating the victims in any way they can in order to make the church less responsible for what it's servants are doing. Look for Harvey Weinstein's lawyers to pull the same stunt, the same way Roman Polanski's lawyers have multiple times, when his case gets to court. With the way rape victims are generally treated in trials there's at least a 50/50 chance that Weinstein, just like these degenerate priests, won't see even a minute of prison time.

[Freakinoldguy]

Thanos Thanos:

Tricks Tricks:

No, it's the gays fault. What a fucking joke.

Statistically the number of victims of rape by priests is pretty much divided equally between girls and boys.

For the rest of the world they're equally divided but for the assaults being committed by the authorities in the Catholic Church it's a ratio of 4 males to 1 female which would indicate that Bart's claim the majority of them are pederasts rather than pedophiles to be accurate.

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First, a look at the statistics: The most detailed statistics on child abuse for the Catholic clergy that I can find comes from the special report based on a national survey of victimization conducted for the 2004 American Catholic bishops' conference. The findings reveal that the frequency of child abuse among Catholic priests is not remarkable-involving around 4 % of priests and deacons who served in the U.S., but its pattern is. Outside of the Catholic Church, the overwhelming numbers of juvenile victims of sexual abuse are female. Within the church, however, four out of five of their victims are male. Most were adolescents aged 14 or over; 15% were under 10.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog ... ion-impact

[BartSimpson]

Thanos Thanos:

Statistically the number of victims of rape by priests is pretty much divided equally between girls and boys. Just another annoying fact to disrupt those who keep trying to blame this entirely on increasing social acceptance of adult gays being allowed equal social and legal rights.

That's not a fact.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-44209971

Posted seven hours ago on the BBC.

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Child sexual abuse and the Catholic Church: What you need to know

A Church-commissioned report in 2004 said more than 4,000 US Roman Catholic priests had faced sexual abuse allegations in the last 50 years, in cases involving more than 10,000 children - mostly boys.

I really don't care if that fact bothers you, offends you, or gets your panties in a knot.

It is what it is and even the BBC will say so.

[Thanos]

BBC's been on your hate-list for a long time, Mr. Grouch, so why are you suddenly relying on them for information?

And, as has been pointed out by others, the number of attacks by priests on underage females has been vastly increasing over the last generation. Ignore that if you want but that won't make it less true.

[BartSimpson]

Thanos Thanos:

BBC's been on your hate-list for a long time, Mr. Grouch, so why are you suddenly relying on them for information?

All that matters is whether or not you want to call the BBC a bunch of lying homophobes because they're reporting a fact that you and others don't like.

Do you?

Thanos Thanos:

And, as has been pointed out by others, the number of attacks by priests on underage females has been vastly increasing over the last generation. Ignore that if you want but that won't make it less true.

It is true. That still doesn't change the fact that the majority of the assaults are against boys.

[Thanos]

Were against boys, in previous years. Now the attacks are running almost equally in numbers against girls. I know it's now the zeitgeist in certain circles to disregard crimes against females entirely in certain circles but some of us still find these things bothersome.

Hey, if you want to do the insult game I can play too. Recall how whenever the Branch Davidians are ever mentioned around here that you only talk about how oppressive the government was to them and can't be bothered at all to acknowledge that David Koresh was grooming all the young daughters of his followers to become a harem for him, and that when he died he'd been quite actively statutorily raping a number of them who were under the age of fifteen? Like, what's up with that? Religious "freedom" or something, as per Roy Moore rules? How come it's always "conservative" patriarchal men that are the ones doing these things and that it's also always conservative patriarchal men that twist themselves into something not even recognizable as human in order to defend what their brothers in ideology & dogma are up to?

[Tricks]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Tricks Tricks:

Homophobia has nothing to do with wanting to molest children.

Please cite your evidence that homophobia is not linked to child molestation. I don't believe any such study has ever been conducted.

To the contrary, Catholic priests in particular have long been an extremely homophobic group and yet they're also a group prone to abusing children.

Typo, meant homosexuality. That's my bad.

[Tricks]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Tricks Tricks:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

First, the Catholic priests tend to go for pederasty and not pedophilia.

Semantics.

It's not a mere semantic difference.

Pederasty is the abuse of pubescent adolescents.

Pedophilia is the abuse of pre-pubescent children.

Abusing a 14yo is horrid, but abusing a 4yo is no mere semantic difference and the two crimes are NOT equal.

It's abuse of children and you knew what I meant regardless of the word. That's why I used "molestation of children" after that point.

Pederasty is also the abuse of boys specifically. It completely ignores abuse of girls. Which I'm sure you're using for a specific reason.

[Tricks]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Thanos Thanos:

Tricks Tricks:

No, it's the gays fault. What a fucking joke.

Statistically the number of victims of rape by priests is pretty much divided equally between girls and boys.

For the rest of the world they're equally divided but for the assaults being committed by the authorities in the Catholic Church it's a ratio of 4 males to 1 female which would indicate that Bart's claim the majority of them are pederasts rather than pedophiles to be accurate.

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First, a look at the statistics: The most detailed statistics on child abuse for the Catholic clergy that I can find comes from the special report based on a national survey of victimization conducted for the 2004 American Catholic bishops' conference. The findings reveal that the frequency of child abuse among Catholic priests is not remarkable-involving around 4 % of priests and deacons who served in the U.S., but its pattern is. Outside of the Catholic Church, the overwhelming numbers of juvenile victims of sexual abuse are female. Within the church, however, four out of five of their victims are male. Most were adolescents aged 14 or over; 15% were under 10.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog ... ion-impact

I posted a full study that directly contradicts this. That article is using old data, the following study was published a year after that article with updated data. As I said above, it's a matter of access.

http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-action/ ... 0-2010.pdf

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Table 5.2 shows the gender of victims by five-year
intervals. Interestingly, an increase in the number of male
victims occurred during the peak years of the abuse crisis.
Two explanations for this trend are possible: first, it
can be hypothesized that priests would have been seeking
out male victims to abuse, or alternatively, it can be
hypothesized that priests would have been abusing the
victims to whom they had access. If the first hypothesis
is supported, an indication of this activity would be found
in the clinical (individual-level) data. In other words,
more men would be driven by pathologies related to the
sexual abuse of minors. The clinical data do not support
this explanation (see Chapter 3). If the second hypothesis
is supported, then priests would have had more access to
males and would have been committing more offenses
with those to whom they had access. Though it is difficult
to test this hypothesis with retrospective data, this
assertion is supported by additional data, shown below in
Table 5.2 and Figure 5.2. The data show that the highest
percentage of males were abused at the peak of the crisis.
This finding also corresponds with the highest levels of
alcohol/substance use during the abuse time period, which
is consistent with the literature on “situational” abuse of
minors.459 Additionally, it should be noted that altar servers
could only be male until the promulgation to the revisions
of canon law in 1983 (and confirmed through letters
from Pope John Paul II in 1992). The Table and Figure
below show the substantial increase in the percentage of
female victims in the late 1990s and 2000s, when priests
had more access to them in the church.

[Tricks]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Thanos Thanos:

Statistically the number of victims of rape by priests is pretty much divided equally between girls and boys. Just another annoying fact to disrupt those who keep trying to blame this entirely on increasing social acceptance of adult gays being allowed equal social and legal rights.

That's not a fact.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-44209971

Posted seven hours ago on the BBC.

$1:

Child sexual abuse and the Catholic Church: What you need to know

A Church-commissioned report in 2004 said more than 4,000 US Roman Catholic priests had faced sexual abuse allegations in the last 50 years, in cases involving more than 10,000 children - mostly boys.

I really don't care if that fact bothers you, offends you, or gets your panties in a knot.

It is what it is and even the BBC will say so.

In the last 50 years

Of course it was primarily boys, priests didn't have private access to girls 50 years ago. Now that they do, it evens out.

[Tricks]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

It is true. That still doesn't change the fact that the majority of the assaults are against boys.

Not in modern data it isn't. If you accumulate all the assaults over the last 50 years, then yes. If you look at the data in the last 10 to 15, when access of priests to girls drastically changed, then no, you're wrong. You're comparing two different data sets with two different parameters.

[BartSimpson]

How about we just agree that we want our governments and our law enforcement agencies to knock it off with their "hands off" approach to the Catholic Church and to start arresting, prosecuting, and incarcerating clergy child molesters and the rotten fuckers in the Church who've been protecting them?

[Tricks]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

How about we just agree that we want our governments and our law enforcement agencies to knock it off with their "hands off" approach to the Catholic Church and to start arresting, prosecuting, and incarcerating clergy child molesters and the rotten fuckers in the Church who've been protecting them?

Agreed 100%. Revoke their tax exempt status to start, along with any other religious organization. Cut all religious affiliated donations to government. Religious organizations have demonstrated time and time again they aren't deserving of praise and special treatment but skepticism.