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andyt
CKA Uber
Posts: 33492
Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 9:17 am
As I keep saying, I'm much more concerned with taking away the powers to investigate election fraud from the CEO, and putting it under the control of a minister of the govt. Do you think he will allow investigations of his own party? The Cons got caught cheating big time last election, and want to punish the CEO and make sure they are not caught again. To me this is a direct attack on democracy, which is why I equated it with Putin.
I was ready to vote CPC to get a minority CPC govt next election. If this goes thru, no way. I'll vote for anybody who has the best chance of defeating them.
Last edited by andyt on Fri Apr 11, 2014 9:21 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Posts: 53466
Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 9:21 am
andyt andyt: In BC, instead of a driver's license, you can get a BC ID card - same as license except it doesn't allow you to drive. I just don't get how people can function without some sort of ID. Actually, it seems to me the voter registration card should function as address ID, so then you just need a picture ID to back that up. And there's the rub. In many of Canada's isolated towns and hamlets, there is no 'registry' to get picture ID with your address on it. The BC ID card is an example - you have to go in person. The voter ID card is another option, but like the article I quoted, it's not secure, so it's easy to commit voter fraud with it.
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andyt
CKA Uber
Posts: 33492
Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 9:22 am
As it is with vouching. If they can get registered to vote, surely they can get some ID?
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Posts: 23084
Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 9:45 am
herbie herbie: There's this fundamental thing the CPC just doesn't GET and never will. The wino who lives in a cardboard box under the bridge and has no I.D. IS EQUAL to one of them. That's why this thing will be ruled unconstitutional. They might drag it on until the next election with appeals but it will be gone after that. Been there when they dressed, diapered and dragged drooling Grampa to the polling station and one of the ones that vouched had to sign with an X. Anyone tells Grampa he can't vote anymore and I'd sink his tomahawk in their head for him. It is the right of every Canadian to vote. The onus is not on you to PROVE you're a Canadian by only the means defined by the gov't.  You're on fire lately...wish I could I rep you again!
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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 9:56 am
bootlegga bootlegga:  You're on fire lately...wish I could I rep you again! Taken care of.
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Posts: 8738
Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 10:03 am
bootlegga bootlegga: herbie herbie: There's this fundamental thing the CPC just doesn't GET and never will. The wino who lives in a cardboard box under the bridge and has no I.D. IS EQUAL to one of them. That's why this thing will be ruled unconstitutional. They might drag it on until the next election with appeals but it will be gone after that. Been there when they dressed, diapered and dragged drooling Grampa to the polling station and one of the ones that vouched had to sign with an X. Anyone tells Grampa he can't vote anymore and I'd sink his tomahawk in their head for him. It is the right of every Canadian to vote. The onus is not on you to PROVE you're a Canadian by only the means defined by the gov't.  You're on fire lately...wish I could I rep you again! Taken care of.
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Regina 
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Posts: 32460
Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 10:27 am
The more I read about this the more I realize how flawed our voting system has been. It's been based on trust, which in this day and age seems a bit naive.
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Posts: 13404
Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 10:39 am
There is one really good aspect of the way that Canadians run their federal elections. It is still done the old fashioned way with manual paper ballots, representatives of all of the political interests physically overseeing the process (fueled by Tim Horton donuts. It may seem quaint and 19th century but it is much harder to fudge the results that they produce than it is using electronic voting methods. All sorts of things can and do go wrong with voting machines. Sometimes the results are ambiguous (remember those "dangling chads" down in Dade county Fla.?) because of the vagaries of the mechanical process.
The big one, though, is that the output of any electronic method can be hacked, manipulated, changed. There is no such thing as an unbreakable code and with so much traffic going back and forth during an election, measurable flaws will appear.
Our quaint, old fashioned "vote with a paper ballot" system is not perfect but it is still the safest one. It also keeps citizens physically engaged in democracy, not just by turning up with your neighbours but by helping to run the polling stations.
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Posts: 53466
Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 10:40 am
Regina Regina: The more I read about this the more I realize how flawed our voting system has been. It's been based on trust, which in this day and age seems a bit naive. I like that we can still trust; that if a few people vote who shouldn't it's not really a big deal. I'm more concerned that people who should have the right are denied it. Much like 'it's better than 100 guilty men go free than one innocent is punished'. And like andy points out, I'm concerned the government is changing the law to suit their crimes.
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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 10:47 am
Regina Regina: The more I read about this the more I realize how flawed our voting system has been. It's been based on trust, which in this day and age seems a bit naive. Very much so. A lot of things in Canada are still based on trust, which provides a real shock when you get out and see how the rest of the world really works. Sadly, too many now show up looking to see how they can game the easy system, in all sorts of ways.
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Regina 
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Posts: 32460
Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 10:55 am
My trust in humanity sailed long ago. I think the number of people voting who shouldn't, is much higher than who don't have the proper ID. I don't know anyone who doesn't have ID, but up until 2 years ago I had 2 non Canadians voting in my family alone. I ratted out my wife (who has since become Canadian) and if I get a chance I'm going to rat out my father in-law in Edmonton. 
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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 1:38 pm
martin14 martin14: Regina Regina: The more I read about this the more I realize how flawed our voting system has been. It's been based on trust, which in this day and age seems a bit naive. Very much so. A lot of things in Canada are still based on trust, which provides a real shock when you get out and see how the rest of the world really works. Sadly, too many now show up looking to see how they can game the easy system, in all sorts of ways. It's then all the more important we shed those ideas and become as bitter and cynical as the rest.
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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 1:44 pm
Regina Regina: My trust in humanity sailed long ago. Yeah, I think I'd have to call bullshit on that. You'd be a shut in if that were true. Every day you walk out your door you're demonstrating trust in humanity to either not beat you with a bat for your wallet, not cross the centerline while driving their jacked up F350, or jerk off on your pizza etc. Cynical is one thing, hyperbole is another. Voter fraud is likely overblown. Need to see the evidence before I believe.
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Regina 
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Posts: 32460
Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 1:47 pm
You're right, I think cynical fits me better. Has a nice ring to it too.
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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 1:48 pm
Regina Regina: I ratted out my ex-wife (who has since become Canadian) and if I get a chance I'm going to rat out my father in-law in Edmonton.  Fixed that for you. 
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