[Gunnair]

QBall QBall:

Gunnair Gunnair:

QBall QBall:

Do you really think the police chief is going to put his career on the line by lying in a public statement? The CBC has nothing to lose so they're free to lie and make up whatever tickles their fancy.

No offence to EB here, but guess what, Cops know how to lie too.

Transcripts please.

This isn't just some cop, this is the chief of police who made a public statement about what he heard. When one of the chief's subordinates lies there's investigations and various levels of discipline. When the chief lies they're fired, period. So I ask you again: do you really think the Chief Blair is going to put his career on the line?

Transcripts, please.

[weaselways]

Let us just get on to the new bruohaha Ford's 20,000 gilted gold lettered calling cards manufactured by the family company at more than a competetive price. He just can't win.

[Lemmy]

weaselways weaselways:

Let us just get on to the new bruohaha Ford's 20,000 gilted gold lettered calling cards manufactured by the family company at more than a competetive price. He just can't win.

How are the ones he bought "at more than a competitive price"? They were twice the price of the ones printed for other councillors by the city. But I did hear on the news at lunch today that Ford intends to repay the city for the cost.

[Gunnair]

Roe Roe:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Roe Roe:

Rob Ford is a good example of how Cons don't have a sense of humor. Just think of all those right wing comedians.....um.....er....Dennis Miller?

Actually, Rob Ford is a good example of how Rob Ford doesn't have a sense of humour - just to avoid the whole sweeping generalizations thing. You know, kinda like saying, your idiotic post is a good example of how leftards can make idiotic posts.

.....perhaps you can give us a list of right wing comedians to prove me wrong.

There is little point because your post proves my point.

[OnTheIce]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Lemmy is right. Under the Ontario TPA anybody can knock on your door, it is implied permission. If Ford has a fence with a gate that has a sign saying 'no trespassing' then you jumping the fence or walking through the unlocked gate with a visible 'no trespassing' sign, then you are trespassing.

I've always found Lemmy to have a good grasp on the law even though it's not his field of expertise.

Ford and the CBC both look bad out of this.

EB, why are we discussing a scenario that never occurred?

They didn't knock on his door or make an attempt to do so.

[OnTheIce]

weaselways weaselways:

Let us just get on to the new bruohaha Ford's 20,000 gilted gold lettered calling cards manufactured by the family company at more than a competetive price. He just can't win.

Wasn't it all flowers and rainbows when the NDP Mayor was given a free pass to piss away money any way he wanted?

The mayor opts for special cards and pay for them and STILL he takes shit.

God I hate Toronto. You deserve to be in the mess you're in.

[Lemmy]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

EB, why are we discussing a scenario that never occurred?

They didn't knock on his door or make an attempt to do so.

Should they have? They arrive at Ford's house and find him in the driveway about to get in his car. Should they have walked past him, ignoring him, and rung his doorbell?

[OnTheIce]

Lemmy Lemmy:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

EB, why are we discussing a scenario that never occurred?

They didn't knock on his door or make an attempt to do so.

Should they have? They arrive at Ford's house and find him in the driveway about to get in his car. Should they have walked past him, ignoring him, and rung his doorbell?

The intent was to ambush him from the start. The CBC has made that clear.

[raydan]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Lemmy Lemmy:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

EB, why are we discussing a scenario that never occurred?

They didn't knock on his door or make an attempt to do so.

Should they have? They arrive at Ford's house and find him in the driveway about to get in his car. Should they have walked past him, ignoring him, and rung his doorbell?

The intent was to ambush him from the start. The CBC has made that clear.

Doesn't matter what they did... he's still an idiot for calling 911.

[Lemmy]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

The intent was to ambush him from the start. The CBC has made that clear.

Of course, but the intent was to ambush him to make a comedy bit, not to assassinate Ford's character. It wasn't intended to be a malicious ambush. The intent was to have it come out funny, like Bob Rae skinny dipping with Rick Mercer. CBC's error was partly in choosing the wrong location for the ambush, but mostly in overestimating Ford's sense of humour. The intent wasn't for Ford to ruin the bit by acting like a douchebag.

[ccga3359]

Is the mayor of Canada's largest city not entitled to some security? Rather than 24 hour bodyguards is not 911 an viable alternative? Anyone entering the grounds of 25 Sussex Drive would have the RCMP down on them in a heartbeat, so why not Ford? Mary Walsh's character always "ambushes" those on public grounds, never on that persons own property without prior approval. Mary Walsh even acknowledges, after the fact that no interview request was forwarded to Ford or to the mayors office. To me Rob Ford is a buffoon, the transcripts should be released but I feel that CBC should be held accountable as they were in the wrong and not Rob Ford. CBC policy says that aggressive or confrontational interviews will not be done unless absolutely warranted and all other avenues exhausted. Comedy will never warrant such an action.

[EyeBrock]

Benn Benn:

Poker solution sounds good here. Everyone show their hand, let's see who the loser is. Could go either way I guess but my bet is on the CBC sources being full of crap, or at least kind of the truth that became bigger as the rumour of the actual truth grew larger than life.

EB, has TSP ever released 911 tapes to the public in the past?

And walking into a mine field here on this one but was Ford the one pushing those budget cut suggestions that might have (or still might?) cut into Policing numbers in TO?

On the flip side, those who can't fathom a police chief covering a Mayor's ass, well why wouldn't they? The job is highly political and not for someone with a weak gag reflex and I'm sure you don't get their by throwing your boss' under the bus, even if they deserve it.

Plenty of radio traffic and other audio of calls are released. The press proudly released the radio calls of Cst Garret Styles dying breaths in July.

I'm sure an FOI request could be made for the tape. Plenty of 911 calls make it to the media.

[EyeBrock]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Lemmy is right. Under the Ontario TPA anybody can knock on your door, it is implied permission. If Ford has a fence with a gate that has a sign saying 'no trespassing' then you jumping the fence or walking through the unlocked gate with a visible 'no trespassing' sign, then you are trespassing.

I've always found Lemmy to have a good grasp on the law even though it's not his field of expertise.

Ford and the CBC both look bad out of this.

EB, why are we discussing a scenario that never occurred?

They didn't knock on his door or make an attempt to do so.

And under the TPA the CBC losers were not trespassing. Once they were told to leave they bravely buggered off.

[BeaverFever]

$1:

Rather than 24 hour bodyguards is not 911 an viable alternative?

Depends...calls are priortized as police resources are limited. Being lampooned by a comedian is not Code 3, as I understand it. Ironically, the Mayor demanded a 10% cut to police budgets but settled for 4.5%. I assume the cuts wont be coming from the "Mayors Temper Tantrum Response Team".

$1:

Anyone entering the grounds of 25 Sussex Drive would have the RCMP down on them in a heartbeat, so why not Ford?

That's the difference between Prime Minister and Mayor. One is the head of our nation's goverment and gets to live in a house owned and mainted by the federal government with RCMP manning the gates 24-7, the other lives in his own house, moonlights at his family's label-making company and has to call 911 when he wants something.

$1:

To me Rob Ford is a buffoon, the transcripts should be released but I feel that CBC should be held accountable as they were in the wrong and not Rob Ford.

Why would "CBC being in the wrong" mean that Ford that was not? Even if one agrees that he had a right to be upset and CBC should not have approached him at his door, his reaction was uncalled for and unbecoming of his office. The right to be upset does not grant someone the right to throw an obsenity-laden temper tantrum on public servants that is completely out of proportion to the so-called "offence".

As pointed out, CBC was told leave and they left...so whats the outrage anyway? Jahova's Witnesses and Girl Guides and charity canvasers can approach you on your property, whats the dif with what Mary Walsh did?

[ccga3359]

From the video I saw Mary Walsh and camera crew were not in any hurry to leave, by standing between Rob Ford in his van's drivers seat and the open van door she was preventing Ford from leaving. This was after being told to leave. Regardless of whatever cuts made to emergency response by Ford they still have a responsibility to do their job. If a 911 operator decides to deny Rob Ford any sort of response because he is indeed "that asshole" Rob Ford then they have no right to hold that position. Sure, prioritize the call but if a much hated mayor is being accosted in his private residence then it is a matter of police discretion. As I stated, this is a first for Mary Walsh to ambush, unannounced, on private property. It is also against CBC's policy on aggressive interviewing. I'm sure we both agree mayor Rob Ford is a tool but I'm willing to give him some leeway to his right for privacy and security. As for "obscenity laden", that is without merit, only from an "anonymous source". Do you honestly believe that "Marg Delahanty" running up your driveway yelling "mayor Rob, mayor Rob" would leave immediately upon being told to leave? If that were the case then CBC should change the show's name to "This hour has 2 minutes" because it would be a short and pointless show! Wouldn't make for good TV if she just turned tail at the first rebuff.