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PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 1:29 pm
 


DerbyX DerbyX:

I support his HST and the health care premium.

So you support paying more for products for NO reason other than Mcguinty says so and paying more for less health coverage than we used to have? Whatcha say there Moneybags? :lol: :wink:


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 3:23 pm
 


DerbyX DerbyX:
Yep I votde for him. Given the incompetence of the predessor PC its an easy descision.

I support his HST and the health care premium. They thing that infuriated me was the e-health scandal. THat is the only think that gives me pause.



Both were such good deals. Like him allowing the Hydro companies to gouge us for an extra 15% profit, plus the HST, plus the health-care premium. And all the time he's been wasting our taxes on pet projects and nanny-state 'intiatives'.

Blind loyalty to the Liberal cause Derby, I'm sure he'll be getting yor vote again.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 4:28 pm
 


I don't want to vote for McGuinty. But what's the alternative? Hudak would just be the return of Mike Harris and Harris was twenty-fold worse than Dalt.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 5:19 pm
 


Here's a better idea. Why not just let liquids back on planes.....TOMORROW! It's a BS rule and has done nothing to increase security.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 12:16 am
 


EyeBrock EyeBrock:
DerbyX DerbyX:
Yep I votde for him. Given the incompetence of the predessor PC its an easy descision.

I support his HST and the health care premium. They thing that infuriated me was the e-health scandal. THat is the only think that gives me pause.



Both were such good deals. Like him allowing the Hydro companies to gouge us for an extra 15% profit, plus the HST, plus the health-care premium. And all the time he's been wasting our taxes on pet projects and nanny-state 'intiatives'.

Blind loyalty to the Liberal cause Derby, I'm sure he'll be getting yor vote again.


Its not blind loyalty. Your bias clouds you judgement. In the end you consider any political opinion that conflicts with yours to be obvious partisanship.

I support my parties of choice based on the issues. That is the proper way to vote. If you don't like it then feel free to live in a dictatorship.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 6:51 am
 


You don't know me at all Derby.

I'm open to new ideas. I'd even consider the provincial NDP if they had a decent platform. Hudak doesn't seem to want to strip me of cash like Dalton has. Even the Greens might be an option.

As I've mentioned on other threads, people like Rob Ford in TO have recognised that the public are pissed off with the same old shite from our provincial and municipal leaders. Smitherman is just more of the same and so are Dalton's Libs.

I will consider options and vote accordingly. I doubt Dalton's platform will change enough for me to vote Liberal in 2011 but if it does, he'll get my vote.

I don't sense the same poiltical open mind in your posts.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 6:54 am
 


BartSimpson BartSimpson:
If we'd just take the common-sense step of keeping muslims off the planes we'd not have to worry about this.


Curious how you cherry pick rights violations.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 6:58 am
 


EyeBrock EyeBrock:
Well, now I have a lawn, that pinkie-left-wing-HST jamming-health premium bastard McGuinty bans weedkiller.....

It's a left wing plot to keep us low-born plebs down. You are a part of it with your smelly ferrets.


You don't need a plot for that...


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 7:13 am
 


That's what you Jocks did in Ulster! Keeping us Micks down. Divide and conquer!


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EyeBrock EyeBrock:
You don't know me at all Derby.

I'm open to new ideas. I'd even consider the provincial NDP if they had a decent platform. Hudak doesn't seem to want to strip me of cash like Dalton has. Even the Greens might be an option.

As I've mentioned on other threads, people like Rob Ford in TO have recognised that the public are pissed off with the same old shite from our provincial and municipal leaders. Smitherman is just more of the same and so are Dalton's Libs.

I will consider options and vote accordingly. I doubt Dalton's platform will change enough for me to vote Liberal in 2011 but if it does, he'll get my vote.

I don't sense the same poiltical open mind in your posts.


Funny, I don't see that at all in you. Saying "the least shite guy in a bunch of shite guys" doesn't scream open minded.

I have voted PC and NDP provincially and so far Dalton has been better then they have. Dalton isn't stripping you of cash, he is paying for your services, much of which you get for free.

My lab did 50 million in unbilled lab work this year for Ontarians as did the other big labs. We have been doing that for many years now and that number is scheduled to rise. That health care premium quite frankly prevented that number from being much higher and quite possibly causing labs to leave the province (as MDS was close to doing a few years ago) thus creating a dire hole in lab testing services. Capped billing means that most health services end up doing free work for Ontarians one way or another. The premium helped alleviate that.

I support that premium because I have professional knowledge that it did a great deal to help improve health care in Ontario in many places and preventing a deterioration of services in others. That your town specifically did not get a new hospital (mine did) is not the point because you still receive more health care then your personal taxes pay for.

I support the HST for much the same reason in that we are running a deficit, a deficit the PCs foisted on us. This will help and quite frankly we are not taxed badly in Ontario and I pay a higher % of my wage to taxes then you on account that I don't receive baby bonus checks nor child tax credits or any of the other family friendly tax cuts. I don't begrudge people those family tax cuts but frankly I think you make a good enough wage to support you and your family as it is unless you are hiding a gambling problem.

Your kids are about the same age I was when my dad was in the military and working weekends on a potato farm to make ends meet so unless you are being forced to moonlight working the door at a night club I don't think you have any reason to complain about taxes. If things are that tough then perhaps you should relocate to a different province. I know I would if I felt I was being overtaxed.

Now you can claim my support of Dalton is just plain old bias because I like the Libs but I'll say the same thing I've said before. Virtually all of my political postings have been federal and I can back my vote up based entirely on the issues. I don't donate to the Liberal party because they don't support my views and unlike some of my fellow Libs on this very forum I don't oppose cooperation/coalition with the NDP and Greens. In other words my vote can easily end up in all but 1 party and I can give you the exact issue based reasons why I won't vote for them.

I voted for Dalton because he ran a great campaign and his stances fit with mine. The Prov Libs haven't always been liberal though which is why I haven't always voted for them but so far I see no reason (beyond the ehealth waste) to support another party.

I see myself every bit as open minded as you see yourself, I'm just not as jaded about politicians as you seem to be.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 7:23 am
 


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I see myself every bit as open minded as you see yourself, I'm just not as jaded about politicians as you seem to be.

In a way I envy you for that, I know i've become very jaded about both our major parties. Clintons second term, Bushes second term and the latest elections I turly wish we had a none of the above button and force the parties to put new people up for election.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 7:33 am
 


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I see myself every bit as open minded as you see yourself, I'm just not as jaded about politicians as you seem to be.

In a way I envy you for that, I know i've become very jaded about both our major parties. Clintons second term, Bushes second term and the latest elections I turly wish we had a none of the above button and force the parties to put new people up for election.


Its tough to compare US and Canadian politicians. The way I look at it, is that they aren't any worse then any of us would be and most of the scandals that seem to befall them happen to regular folk all the time.

Its kinda like watching Hollywood kids growing up. All sweet and stuff then they hit the teen years. Lohan is a prime example. Sure she is a train wreck but for the most part she isn't doing anything we didn't do as kids. I shudder to think what would have happened if every time I went out in public I had a throng of reporters following me.

Same idea with politicians. I truly think most of them actually do want to make life better in Canada (Honestly I don't feel the same about your guys though) but its the system corrupting them rather then the other way around.

Its the reason so many people here bemoan about why we can't get honest hard working average people into office. We do. We simply expect more out of our politicians then anyone can really give that we think they have become corrupted.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 7:47 am
 


I am jaded on our politicians. I want to be inspired, motivated by somebody who wants to actually change things for good of all.

The crowd on all sides are dis-ingenuous, car-sales type guys and are pretty shallow. Maybe I'm asking too much?

I wish I could be as jolly about dealing with this lot as you are but their magic spells 'aint working on me.

Maybe ferrets are easier to convince?


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 7:55 am
 


EyeBrock EyeBrock:
I am jaded on our politicians. I want to be inspired, motivated by somebody who wants to actually change things for good of all.

The crowd on all sides are dis-ingenuous, car-sales type guys and are pretty shallow. Maybe I'm asking too much?

I wish I could be as jolly about dealing with this lot as you are but their magic spells 'aint working on me.

Maybe ferrets are easier to convince?


Its the nature of the biz. The honest and sincere approach doesn't work. Just ask Dion because those were his "strengths". He was as honest as you could hope for. He was sincere in his beliefs particularly his green platform. It was entirely those qualities that people choose him as leader for because they figured people were looking for that exact thing after all the scandals.

Didn't work out so well.

We all get the governments we deserve and in Canada we get disingenuous car salesman types because we won't elect anything else.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 8:23 am
 


EyeBrock EyeBrock:
No, I got one of those piece-of-shit tools and took at 36 garbage bags of dandelions last year over a 5 day period.

Unlike the latte-puffs you describe, I can't give that amount of time to something that was easily dealt with by 30 minutes worth of weedkiller distribution. I have young Canadian children to rear.

But in nanny-state Ontario that's the way the social engineers in the Libs want it to be.

I predict a resounding victory for the anybody-but-Libs and ferret-lovers party in 2011.....

I have a trip to Buffalo, NY planned. The land of the free still sells weedkiller.

So they banned the sale of weedkiller but not the use or importation of it? That just sounds like a way to kill business. I'm not sure what I would do about my Johnson grass without Roundup.


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