[Robair]

llama66 llama66:

Every Pope since the first Pope is complicit in the practice of covering up child molesting priests.

Doubt it goes back that far. Celibacy wasn't always a requirement.

See, priests were leaving their worldly possessions to their kids (naturally) so the church came up with the celibacy requirement so they could re-claim that loot once a priest dies.

I'm assuming this is also the beginning of the church turning into a collection of sexual deviants of one sort or another.

[BartSimpson]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

You know what I'm not reading here?

How were they groomed?

The grooming starts in the public schools these days. And it starts early.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/ed ... bb70d446ac

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

When were they radicalized?

The kids or the priests? The priests were radicalized by other priests who tacitly and sometimes openly ran grooming gangs within the Catholic church.

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Where are the moderate Christians?

Fuck being a moderate Christian! Right now I want to get downright Spanish Inquisition on these fuckers!

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

What are we doing to limit them coming into the country?

Frankly, you're making a very valid point that your government and mine needs to be performing additional screenings and background checks of people who immigrate into our countries to be Catholic priests.

I suspect that when you add up the suicide rates of their victims that these contemptible vermin are causing more deaths than the sum total of Islamic terrorism in both of our countries.

The response to this threat to children should be proportional to the harm it is causing.

Yes, that means I consider the average Catholic priest to be a greater existential threat to individual welfare than I do radical Islamic jihadis.

[Tricks]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

You know what I'm not reading here?

How were they groomed?

The grooming starts in the public schools these days. And it starts early.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/ed ... bb70d446ac

Nonsense. It's ridiculous every time you try to link homosexuality and pedophilia. -5 for blatant homophobia.

[BartSimpson]

Tricks Tricks:

Nonsense. It's ridiculous every time you try to link homosexuality and pedophilia. -5 for blatant homophobia.

Right back at you, Sparky.

First, the Catholic priests tend to go for pederasty and not pedophilia. And you start grooming kids for this kind of abuse when you normalize the core behavior. I really don't give a fuck if that offends you because normalizing behaviors in children has been both a time tested process for forming social attitudes in children and it is also then a process for preparing them to accept situations and behaviors that their parents may find to be outrageous. Meaning that the process of grooming starts in the public schools that teach kids to go along with outrageous behaviors instead of confronting them.

http://www.michaelolaf.net/lecture_secret.html

Second, the vast majority of the abuse is same sex. If you want to explain to me how a same-sex attraction is not same-sex attraction then feel free to enlighten me.

Also, from the article you took offense to without bothering to read and comprehend is the part I've noted the most:

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School officials say it’s important to start early, before children’s perceptions of gay life are dominated by playground put-downs.

They are grooming the children to accept a behavior that's naturally repugnant to them and repugnant to their parents.

[Thanos]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Meaning that the process of grooming starts in the public schools that teach kids to go along with outrageous behaviors instead of confronting them.

The abuse of Catholic kids happens in Catholic schools, not public ones, and the Catholic system is uniformly hostile to gays. That's where children are initially taught to never question or defy the priests and nuns, which comes in as a handy bit of brainwashing when the priest needs to flex his mental authority over a victim he intends to rape. The same thing happens in religious charter schools, if not to the same extent as in the Catholic system, where pastors and deacons are made into unassailable authorities with resisting them made into a sin. Make any man into a servant of God, in his own mind, and you almost always create an abusive and dangerous monster.

Let married men with families become priests and this problem ceases to exist. Let men with normal characters become the dominant personality profile in the church and it will no longer be a haven for deviant men to cluster and dominate. That is the only solution tp this perversion but it will never happen.

[Tricks]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

First, the Catholic priests tend to go for pederasty and not pedophilia.

Semantics.

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And you start grooming kids for this kind of abuse when you normalize the core behavior.

Homophobia has nothing to do with wanting to molest children.

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I really don't give a fuck if that offends you because normalizing behaviors in children has been both a time tested process for forming social attitudes in children and it is also then a process for preparing them to accept situations and behaviors that their parents may find to be outrageous.

Why would people find being gay be outrageous? Cause they're disgusting bigoted homophobes?

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Meaning that the process of grooming starts in the public schools that teach kids to go along with outrageous behaviors instead of confronting them.

http://www.michaelolaf.net/lecture_secret.html

Honestly Bart, calling homosexuality outrageous is disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourself for equating a harmless attraction to the same sex to the victimization of children.

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Second, the vast majority of the abuse is same sex. If you want to explain to me how a same-sex attraction is not same-sex attraction then feel free to enlighten me.

Homosexuality =/= wanting to molest children. Just because these fuckers happen to like boys more than girls doesn't not make it an equivalent.

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Also, from the article you took offense to without bothering to read and comprehend is the part I've noted the most:

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School officials say it’s important to start early, before children’s perceptions of gay life are dominated by playground put-downs.

They are grooming the children to accept a behavior that's naturally repugnant to them and repugnant to their parents.

Naturally repugnant? To you and to intolerant individuals like you. There is nothing wrong with homosexuality, it's a naturally occuring phenomena. Why wouldn't we want to inform kids that if they happen to like jimmy instead of sally there is nothing wrong with them? That quote has NOTHING to do with being molested. Ironically, the fucking idiots in ontario who destroyed the sex-ed curriculum specifically crafted to teach kids early on that if someone does this to them, they should be able to speak up and was trying to give them the tools to do so. The dumbfuck social conservatives shot that down because they want to ENABLE this behaviour. Like you and your friend allowing a pedophile to marry his daughter. Keep throwing up bullshit about homosexuality being the problem while you enable it.

[Tricks]

Thanos Thanos:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Meaning that the process of grooming starts in the public schools that teach kids to go along with outrageous behaviors instead of confronting them.

The abuse of Catholic kids happens in Catholic schools, not public ones, and the Catholic system is uniformly hostile to gays. That's where children are initially taught to never question or defy the priests and nuns, which comes in as a handy bit of brainwashing when the priest needs to flex his mental authority over a victim he intends to rape. The same thing happens in religious charter schools, if not to the same extent as in the Catholic system, where pastors and deacons are made into unassailable authorities with resisting them made into a sin. Make any man into a servant of God, in his own mind, and you almost always create an abusive and dangerous monster.

Let married men with families become priests and this problem ceases to exist. Let men with normal characters become the dominant personality profile in the church and it will no longer be a haven for deviant men to cluster and dominate. That is the only solution tp this perversion but it will never happen.

No, it's the gays fault. What a fucking joke.

[Zipperfish]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Second, the vast majority of the abuse is same sex. If you want to explain to me how a same-sex attraction is not same-sex attraction then feel free to enlighten me.

I highly doubt this is true.

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School officials say it’s important to start early, before children’s perceptions of gay life are dominated by playground put-downs.

I don't see this happening at Catholic schools. They aren't big on the whole pride thing.

[Thanos]

Tricks Tricks:

No, it's the gays fault. What a fucking joke.

Statistically the number of victims of rape by priests is pretty much divided equally between girls and boys. Just another annoying fact to disrupt those who keep trying to blame this entirely on increasing social acceptance of adult gays being allowed equal social and legal rights.

[Tricks]

Thanos Thanos:

Tricks Tricks:

No, it's the gays fault. What a fucking joke.

Statistically the number of victims of rape by priests is pretty much divided equally between girls and boys. Just another annoying fact to disrupt those who keep trying to blame this entirely on increasing social acceptance of adult gays being allowed equal social and legal rights.

Even if it wasn't, it's about access and it's about early life.

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Until about 25 years ago priests had little contact one on one with girls.
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If these people were raised in catholic house holds (likely, who becomes a priest if they aren't?) and sees the condemnation of homosexuality. They can either "betray" their toxic family and toxic faith, or they can try to "cure" themselves by devoting themselves to god. Except you can't "cure" homosexuality. So instead, people with homosexual desires put themselves in a position where young boys are all they can "Get" because of stupid celibacy requirements. The catholic church has been the culprit in grooming priests to do this, by condemning homosexuality and saying it's something that can be cured. The fucked up beliefs of catholics is the reason this exists.

[Tricks]

Thanos Thanos:

Tricks Tricks:

No, it's the gays fault. What a fucking joke.

Statistically the number of victims of rape by priests is pretty much divided equally between girls and boys. Just another annoying fact to disrupt those who keep trying to blame this entirely on increasing social acceptance of adult gays being allowed equal social and legal rights.

However you're right. It is turning to be the same. Again, 25 years ago the priests didn't have access to girls, now they do and it's evening out. Because typically pedophiles don't care about gender. When you're 8. the genders are, other than the obvious, physically the same.

Time Interval Percent of Victims—
Male
Percent of Victims—
Female
1950-1954 68.4 31.6
1955-1959 65.6 34.4
1960-1964 72.8 26.7
1965-1969 78.3 21.7
1970-1974 84.3 15.7
1975-1979 88.3 11.7
1980-1984 88.3 11.7
1985-1989 85.3 14.7
1990-1994 80.3 19.7
1995-1999 69.3 30.7
2000-2002 55.2 44.8

http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-action/ ... 0-2010.pdf

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[Zipperfish]

Overall, abuse of girls is much more common, at least reported abuse. About two-thirds of sex abuse is by men and to girls, so this whole homosexual argument doesn't hold water.

[Tricks]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Overall, abuse of girls is much more common, at least reported abuse. About two-thirds of sex abuse is by men and to girls, so this whole homosexual argument doesn't hold water.

Absolutely. I'm talking specifically about priest perpetrators.

[Thanos]

Predators just go where the prey is easiest to get at; a current example is the increasing number of reports of children being attack in the ICE lock-ups where they've been incarcerated thanks to the increase in the number of sadistic predators that have joined the agency since Trump turned it into some kind of anti-immigrant paramilitary.

Prison is another interesting example of how the straight vs. gay paradigm distorts the crime of rape. Male-on-male rape is epidemic in most American prisons. Yet the perpetrators don't identify as homosexuals. In their lives outside of prison they're almost entirely hetero. What happens in prison is that they use rape as a weapon of domination against weaker inmates in order to establish a hierarchy. Uniformly, from all the racial groups, as a social reaction the inmates, as "tough guys", doing the raping completely despise consenting gay relationships between other adults. Call any of them a "faggot" for raping another inmate and they'll cut your heart out over the insult.

I suspect that something not too dissimilar happens when some so-called "holy man" rapes a child - "I am the servant of God, and this is what I am allowed to do anytime I want to". It's as much, if not more, just a display of power as it is the satisfaction of any sexual urges. That these men were probably abused themselves when they were children means it's also an untargeted bit of revenge, attacking a child, for when they went through the same trauma themselves with no one to help them and when they too were intimidated by authority and power into a perpetual passive silence. That's the sickest part of the entire cycle, when the perpetrator also turns out to be some kind of victim themselves.

[BartSimpson]

Tricks Tricks:

Homophobia has nothing to do with wanting to molest children.

Please cite your evidence that homophobia is not linked to child molestation. I don't believe any such study has ever been conducted.

To the contrary, Catholic priests in particular have long been an extremely homophobic group and yet they're also a group prone to abusing children.