[Thanos]

Always amusing when a political party that's been indulging in false piety for pretty much it's entire existence to cover up the blatant un-Christian aspects of most of it's policies gets called out by a leader of the oldest major Christian denomination on the planet.

[ShepherdsDog]

You notice Christ hung out with prostitutes and tax collectors but not politicians.

[Thanos]

That any decent god would let these monsters speak in his name is the main reason it's pretty much impossible to believe any of it.

Except this one of course, because He means what He says and He says what He means. Hastur The Unspeakable for Secretary of Defense!

[BartSimpson]

Brenda Brenda:

raydan raydan:

Is Trump a Christian?

I guess being on your 4th marriage is very Christian

If Christianity were illegal then Trump would not be a suspect.

[martin14]

Thanos Thanos:

That any decent god would let these monsters speak in his name is the main reason it's pretty much impossible to believe any of it.

Speaking of speaking, here comes the official back-pedal.

Turns out, the Mexicans did it.

$1:

The Vatican today executed a speedy climb-down in its feud with Donald Trump - handing the Republican White House hopeful a major political victory.

Pope Francis's suggestion that Trump was 'not Christian' because of his views on immigration was not a personal attack on the candidate, Vatican spokesman Father Federico Lombardi said on Friday.

Lombardi told Vatican radio that the pope's comments, which were denounced by Trump, were simply an affirmation of his longstanding belief that migrants should be helped and welcomed rather than shut off behind walls.

He also leaned toward confirming Trump's contention that his statement that Trump was 'not a Christian' was based largely on 'what he was told' about the billionaire's position.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... esman.html

[stratos]

Well sense the left wants to cheer for the Pope for his comment about Trump and say how brilliant and right he is. How does the left not boo and hiss at him for his Anti Abortion and Anti Birth Control stance?

[Thanos]

Someone right on one thing can be wrong on others. Kind of like how Trump is actually correct on Muslim immigration but being a complete dick on Latino immigration.

[BartSimpson]

Thanos Thanos:

Someone right on one thing can be wrong on others. Kind of like how Trump is actually correct on Muslim immigration but being a complete dick on Latino immigration.

Tell your own government to drop their visa requirement for Mexicans if you really feel this way.

[ShepherdsDog]

Hey the Pope can't be wrong according to the Rum n' Catlicks.

[BartSimpson]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Hey the Pope can't be wrong according to the Rum n' Catlicks.

He's infallible. Perfect in every way.

[Thanos]

And it means nothing because Catholics are diverse, educated, and aren't lapdogs for one political party or the other. They skew Democrat because of their long support for progressive policies and generally don't allow the Pope or the priests to tell them how to vote anymore. Same in the US now as it is with Catholics in Quebec, Spain, or France. If there's unquestioning and unthinking support given to a party by a religious group it's the way that evangelicals in the US will rally behind a GOP candidate no matter how their policies go against the message of Christ and no matter what kind of dirty or crooked personal behaviour they've engaged in.

[Thanos]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Thanos Thanos:

Someone right on one thing can be wrong on others. Kind of like how Trump is actually correct on Muslim immigration but being a complete dick on Latino immigration.

Tell your own government to drop their visa requirement for Mexicans if you really feel this way.

See my answer to Rick earlier. The US has devalued skilled trades from the working class for so long that needing cheap immigrant labour for those jobs is now the default position for American capitalism. The situation isn't in the slightest bit comparable in Canada because we give work visas to trained professionals and aren't being swamped with legions of illegals for the low-end jobs. We give temporary work passes for foreign fruit harvest workers but that's as much for their own protection to keep them from being exploited as slaves as it is to prevent them from coming in illegally and disappearing into the underground. Despite the media bullshit that broke out about it the Canadian TFW program is a resounding success because it legally provided workers for businesses that needed them and in the overwhelming number of cases kept those workers safe from exploitation.

[BartSimpson]

Thanos Thanos:

And it means nothing because Catholics are diverse, educated, and aren't lapdogs for one political party or the other. They skew Democrat because of their long support for progressive policies and generally don't allow the Pope or the priests to tell them how to vote anymore. Same in the US now as it is with Catholics in Quebec, Spain, or France. If there's unquestioning and unthinking support given to a party by a religious group it's the way that evangelicals in the US will rally behind a GOP candidate no matter how their policies go against the message of Christ and no matter what kind of dirty or crooked personal behaviour they've engaged in.

IMHO Catholics like their government the same way they like their religion: bureaucratic, hierarchical, and with little individual responsibility or authority.

Protestants prefer their government to resemble their religion: decentralized with the most power at the local level and the most responsibility and authority vested in the individual.

[BRAH]

In SC Trump is more popular with Christians than Cruz because he doesn't pander expecting their support unlike Cruz.

[Thanos]

Read an article elsewhere that evangelicals generally respond favourably to flamboyant authoritarian personalities, such as the clods and whackjobs that make it big on the rubber chicken preaching circuit. Trumps embodies this, with his "I'm gonna kick everyone's ass and make them love it!" style negating the secondary evangelical preferences for piety and puritanism.

It's also probably true that a lot of evangelicals really don't believe at all in the soft and gentle side of Christianity, and that they're really only in it because the harshness of their denomination provides them with a communal place where like-minded followers can practice the political exclusion and angry condemnation of the sinners and other undesirable that they detest. They don't have much time for Christ-the-lamb because they're too eager for Christ-the-flaming-sword to show up instead.