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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 12:56 pm
 


Nobody is taking my "chip implants" seriously? Wait for it. The Facebook generation will think that it's a peachy idea when they come to power.


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DrCaleb DrCaleb:

That's my point though. It's not easily attainable, and for those that can't get ID they will be denied their right to vote.


Of course it is! You get 3 documents provided to you for free by the government. Health Card, SIN Card and a birth certificate....you need to have 1 other thing with you name on it from a huge variety of options. If you lose your documents...too bad for you. People have to take a little bit of responsibility for themselves and the ID that's provided to them.

To say it's not easily attainable is just plain false.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 5:52 pm
 


$1:
But we are into new territory with the attacks on Elections Canada, as recent statements from within the party would seem to confirm. A Conservative MP told The Hill Times the severing of the agency's investigations branch was likely in retaliation for its handling of the robocalls matter. Stephen Harper's former communications director, Geoff Norquay, suggested it was "vengeance" for its successful prosecution of the party in the "in-and-out" affair. The Prime Minister himself, asked in Parliament about the bill's effect on Elections Canada's independence, mused about the need to ensure the agency is "held accountable for its actions."

So that is the issue. That's what the Fair Elections Act is about. With an election less than 18 months away, the government has declared war on the organization in charge of running it. It believes, or wants the public to believe, that Elections Canada is biased against it, and needs to be reined in. And its sole evidence for this extraordinary charge is the agency's tendency to catch Conservatives in its dragnet. The recklessness - with the facts, with reputations, with the public's faith in the democratic process - is astounding. The odds of a crisis are growing.




Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Coyne+ ... z2yXCiEFwS


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 6:11 pm
 


There's this fundamental thing the CPC just doesn't GET and never will.
The wino who lives in a cardboard box under the bridge and has no I.D. IS EQUAL to one of them. That's why this thing will be ruled unconstitutional.
They might drag it on until the next election with appeals but it will be gone after that.
Been there when they dressed, diapered and dragged drooling Grampa to the polling station and one of the ones that vouched had to sign with an X.
Anyone tells Grampa he can't vote anymore and I'd sink his tomahawk in their head for him.
It is the right of every Canadian to vote. The onus is not on you to PROVE you're a Canadian by only the means defined by the gov't.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 6:18 pm
 


I'm less concerned about drooling winos. Too bad everybody focuses on that. It's taking away the power to investigate election fraud from the COE that has me the most worried - as the bit I quoted above talks about,


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 6:26 pm
 


Oh for sure man.


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OnTheIce OnTheIce:
DrCaleb DrCaleb:

That's my point though. It's not easily attainable, and for those that can't get ID they will be denied their right to vote.


Of course it is! You get 3 documents provided to you for free by the government. Health Card, SIN Card and a birth certificate....you need to have 1 other thing with you name on it from a huge variety of options. If you lose your documents...too bad for you. People have to take a little bit of responsibility for themselves and the ID that's provided to them.

To say it's not easily attainable is just plain false.


Why, thanks for your opinion Xort!

As before, none of those IDs has your address on them. Something required by the new legislation.


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DrCaleb DrCaleb:

As before, none of those IDs has your address on them. Something required by the new legislation.


Not new at all - check the elections Canada website. All that's new is option 3, vouching would be removed.


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DrCaleb DrCaleb:

As before, none of those IDs has your address on them. Something required by the new legislation.


Not new at all - check the elections Canada website. All that's new is option 3, vouching would be removed.


True, not new. But people who didn't have address info on their ID were the ones who needed vouching. If they don't pay home bills or drive etc., like Sheila Fraisers' daughter, they are SOL.

Funny thing is I've used my Government ID (name, picture) as a requirement for 'Government issued ID' in some places, and they wouldn't take it. They only want drivers licenses, even though my Government ID actually meets the requirements of 'Government issued ID'.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 7:53 am
 


In BC, instead of a driver's license, you can get a BC ID card - same as license except it doesn't allow you to drive. I just don't get how people can function without some sort of ID. Actually, it seems to me the voter registration card should function as address ID, so then you just need a picture ID to back that up.


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DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Funny thing is I've used my Government ID (name, picture) as a requirement for 'Government issued ID' in some places, and they wouldn't take it. They only want drivers licenses, even though my Government ID actually meets the requirements of 'Government issued ID'.

That is the fault of the people running the voting station not being familiar with that ID no? If it's valid then it's their fault.


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Regina Regina:
DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Funny thing is I've used my Government ID (name, picture) as a requirement for 'Government issued ID' in some places, and they wouldn't take it. They only want drivers licenses, even though my Government ID actually meets the requirements of 'Government issued ID'.

That is the fault of the people running the voting station not being familiar with that ID no? If it's valid then it's their fault.


I think it was ignorance on their part. (and for banking, bars) It's clearly embossed into the ID "Issued by the Government of Alberta". I don't know how much more 'government issued ID' there can be. ;)


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 9:04 am
 


Thanos Thanos:
The pre-registration/show-up-with-ID system is fairly idiot-proof. Once again, it's difficult to imagine that so many are (allegedly, according to the likes of the NDP) having such a difficult time with it. :roll:


Not a stretch for me. As a kid/young man, I never had an address for more than a few months. Sometimes I had No Fixed Address. So it was a hassle when I had to present something with my address on it.

Of course, the workaround was I just used my folks' address, but they were in a different province, so not sure if that would work.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 9:07 am
 


YOu would have to go there then to vote. The address has to match the riding you are voting in.

In Vancouver there's always a big push to register the homeless to vote. Wonder how they do that with no address - what riding do they vote in? Are they all vouched for at voting time?


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 9:13 am
 


andyt andyt:
In BC, instead of a driver's license, you can get a BC ID card - same as license except it doesn't allow you to drive. I just don't get how people can function without some sort of ID. Actually, it seems to me the voter registration card should function as address ID, so then you just need a picture ID to back that up.


That's one of the isssues--they got rid of the "vouching" and the prohbitied the use of the voter registration card as proof of address. Some of the more non-partisan reports I've read have suggested you should have one or the other.

But let's face it--this is being pushed by their most partisan Minister. It's got bugger all to do with fair elections. it's about getting back at Elections Canada and tilting the next election in favour of the Conservatives.

The Conservatives are likely to also benefit from the new ridings, as many of them suburban. Though, thankfully, districts are determined in a process run by Elections Canada that is arm's length from government, so you don't get the gerrymandering tehy have in the US (which is a much more egregious assualt on democracy, in my opinion).


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