[PublicAnimalNo9]

Thanos Thanos:

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

But if he can't get his kicks here, where will he go Thanos? He's the sort that would ask a terminal cancer patient where they see themselves in 10 years.

This type of "thinking" erupts when someone's life gets stuck in an endless loop that's existentially identical to the Brad Pitt scenes from True Romance, except now they've got the internet to ape around on instead of just watching Freejack or or MallRats or Dazed N Confused over and over and over again. How's that harmless habit working out for you these days, hopheads?

It's working out fucking great thank you. I'm 45 and been retired for almost 6 years.
How's your sober little work-a-day world going? Still dealing with assholes at work? Still enjoying that twice daily drive through the morning and afternoon rush hour traffic? Still enjoying the sound of that alarm clock telling you it's time to sell some more of your ass to your boss, while he pays you a fraction of what you think you're worth?
Not that I attribute pot to my success, but your portrayal of those who enjoy nature's product as little more than a bunch of blood-shot eyed zombies mesmerized by shiny objects and stoner movies is pathetic and shows more than a little ignorance on your part.
But yeah, let's all take our cues from pop-culture, since we know it portrays things so accurately.

[raydan]

Like everything else, it all comes down to how dependent you are on pot, and the quantity you use. Some people will look at you as if you're a pot-head if you smoke a joint a day but they have no problems drinking 6 beers at dinner time, each day... every day, except Friday/Saturday/Sunday of course, when they drink 12.

[Scape]

Take it down a notch people.

The oxyneo issue is very serious. It is a symptom of a much larger issue. I seriously think it is time to consider mj as an above board drug just to deal with the dependency issues. We need more tools to deal with this issue not less. Also, there are now major supply issues in Canada thanks to the FDA in the states and Sandoz. That is only going to trickle down to supply issues with pain meds that are already chronic:

Sandoz Canada’s production slows to a crawl after harsh criticism from U.S. regulators

We are looking at 18 months of shortages, thank you FDA. It will take months for them to make up for this shortfall.

I seriously doubt that the FDA is not in the pocket of US big phama and they have done this as a means to squeeze out Canadian drug manufactures. To that end they really helped their bottom line while totally fucking over ours. Yet another US problem that has become our crisis.

[Thanos]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Thanos Thanos:

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

But if he can't get his kicks here, where will he go Thanos? He's the sort that would ask a terminal cancer patient where they see themselves in 10 years.

This type of "thinking" erupts when someone's life gets stuck in an endless loop that's existentially identical to the Brad Pitt scenes from True Romance, except now they've got the internet to ape around on instead of just watching Freejack or or MallRats or Dazed N Confused over and over and over again. How's that harmless habit working out for you these days, hopheads?

It's working out fucking great thank you. I'm 45 and been retired for almost 6 years.
How's your sober little work-a-day world going? Still dealing with assholes at work? Still enjoying that twice daily drive through the morning and afternoon rush hour traffic? Still enjoying the sound of that alarm clock telling you it's time to sell some more of your ass to your boss, while he pays you a fraction of what you think you're worth?
Not that I attribute pot to my success, but your portrayal of those who enjoy nature's product as little more than a bunch of blood-shot eyed zombies mesmerized by shiny objects and stoner movies is pathetic and shows more than a little ignorance on your part.
But yeah, let's all take our cues from pop-culture, since we know it portrays things so accurately.

Get off the drugs, son. There's no hope at all for Curt anymore. He's a lost cause. You've still got time to save yourself though from the misery of substance abuse.

[andyt]

Scape Scape:

The oxyneo issue is very serious. It is a symptom of a much larger issue. I seriously think it is time to consider mj as an above board drug just to deal with the dependency issues. We need more tools to deal with this issue not less.

How do you mean? Do you see mj as a substitute for opioids? I personally think mj as an analgesic is a bit of a red herring. I just don't recall being immune to pain when I smoked it - but then it wasn't the super weed of today. I support legalization, and can see the application of mj for chemo to reduce nausea and for AIDS to increase appetite, but personally I always thought the supposed pain relief it gives is bs.

What we need to do is legalize heroin for pain relief purposes. And for chronic pain I think going without drugs if at all possible is the way to go. Opioids produce tolerance anyway. Seems to be some good work being done with meditation - it's just not a quick fix.

[Scape]

It can not be used as a substitute but it can be used as a tool to mitigate the impact. Hell, I'm open to healing circles being covered at this point. Using just prescription drugs to fight this fire isn't enough. This is an epidemic.

[Freakinoldguy]

andyt andyt:

Scape Scape:

The oxyneo issue is very serious. It is a symptom of a much larger issue. I seriously think it is time to consider mj as an above board drug just to deal with the dependency issues. We need more tools to deal with this issue not less.

How do you mean? Do you see mj as a substitute for opioids? I personally think mj as an analgesic is a bit of a red herring. I just don't recall being immune to pain when I smoked it - but then it wasn't the super weed of today. I support legalization, and can see the application of mj for chemo to reduce nausea and for AIDS to increase appetite, but personally I always thought the supposed pain relief it gives is bs.

What we need to do is legalize heroin for pain relief purposes. And for chronic pain I think going without drugs if at all possible is the way to go. Opioids produce tolerance anyway. Seems to be some good work being done with meditation - it's just not a quick fix.

I think Pain management is a personal science that's got to be developed by the individual involved and no group or occupation is able to accurately measure a persons pain, so the stigma of taking pain killers is more a problem with society than with the people in pain.

What I to this day never understood was why they wouldn't give terminal cancer patients more morphine when requuested and the doctors could see they were suffering the agony's of hell. I know that to much can kill you but I had a doctor actually tell me they didn't want their patients to become addicted to it.

WTF kind of an attitude is that. There is no cure for that disease and there isn't ever going to be as long as the pharmacutical companies are doing the research to find it, so who cares if someone becomes addicted to an opiate as long as it kills the pain since in the long run is it going to change anything.

[Curtman]

Thanos Thanos:

Get off the drugs, son. There's no hope at all for Curt anymore. He's a lost cause. You've still got time to save yourself though from the misery of substance abuse.

What's your interest in this topic? Or in my lifestyle for that matter? Just another irritated member of GOMC?

[Regina]

Scape Scape:

Take it down a notch people.

The oxyneo issue is very serious. It is a symptom of a much larger issue. I seriously think it is time to consider mj as an above board drug just to deal with the dependency issues. We need more tools to deal with this issue not less. Also, there are now major supply issues in Canada thanks to the FDA in the states and Sandoz. That is only going to trickle down to supply issues with pain meds that are already chronic:

Sandoz Canada’s production slows to a crawl after harsh criticism from U.S. regulators

We are looking at 18 months of shortages, thank you FDA. It will take months for them to make up for this shortfall.

I seriously doubt that the FDA is not in the pocket of US big phama and they have done this as a means to squeeze out Canadian drug manufactures. To that end they really helped their bottom line while totally fucking over ours. Yet another US problem that has become our crisis.

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[andyt]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

I think Pain management is a personal science that's got to be developed by the individual involved and no group or occupation is able to accurately measure a persons pain, so the stigma of taking pain killers is more a problem with society than with the people in pain.

What I to this day never understood was why they wouldn't give terminal cancer patients more morphine when requuested and the doctors could see they were suffering the agony's of hell. I know that to much can kill you but I had a doctor actually tell me they didn't want their patients to become addicted to it.

WTF kind of an attitude is that. There is no cure for that disease and there isn't ever going to be as long as the pharmacutical companies are doing the research to find it, so who cares if someone becomes addicted to an opiate as long as it kills the pain since in the long run is it going to change anything.

Good post. I've never understood why we worry about addiction so much. Who's going to be a more productive and happy member of society, one who is in constant pain or one who is addicted to legal, cheap and drugs given at a safe dose? I guess with that sort of lax attitude you'd get a lot of junkies, but that still seems better to me than people suffering in pain. And, since the drugs they take would be clean, as would the needles they use, they would be in decent shape. We already have a lot of junkies, and they're doing dirty drugs with dirty needles.

[Thanos]

Curtman Curtman:

Thanos Thanos:

Get off the drugs, son. There's no hope at all for Curt anymore. He's a lost cause. You've still got time to save yourself though from the misery of substance abuse.

What's your interest in this topic? Or in my lifestyle for that matter? Just another irritated member of GOMC?

My interest in this is that I believe in helping people in pain. Therefore I have no issue at all against giving medical marijuana or opiods to severely ill or terminal patients. It's the merciful thing to do.

What I do have a major problem with is that assholes like you come along and try to use medical marijuana as a wedge towards full legalization of your brain-dead little hobby. What that means is that you're nothing but a goddamn parasite sucking off of sick people to get your own deservedly illegal jollies legitimized and decriminalized. That means that you, and 99% of the other potheads out there, don't give a damn at all about the needs of the sick. The only reason clowns like you spout off about this particular issue is for your own selfish and narcissitic benefit.

I know what jerkoffs like you are all about, stoner. You can fool the others all you want but your well-practiced and patented line of pure horseshit about legalization will not ever fool me. Fuck off and drop dead.

[Curtman]

Thanos Thanos:

My interest in this is that I believe in helping people in pain. Therefore I have no issue at all against giving medical marijuana or opiods to severely ill or terminal patients. It's the merciful thing to do.

And I'll add to that: Fuck anyone who tells them they can't do whatever they like to alleviate their suffering.

Thanos Thanos:

What I do have a major problem with is that assholes like you come along and try to use medical marijuana as a wedge towards full legalization of your brain-dead little hobby. What that means is that you're nothing but a goddamn parasite sucking off of sick people to get your own deservedly illegal jollies legitimized and decriminalized. That means that you, and 99% of the other potheads out there, don't give a damn at all about the needs of the sick. The only reason clowns like you spout off about this particular issue is for your own selfish and narcissitic benefit.

I know what jerkoffs like you are all about, stoner. You can fool the others all you want but your well-practiced and patented line of pure horseshit about legalization will not ever fool me. Fuck off and drop dead.

I believe Scape asked us to tone it down, so please have a little respect for the mods. If you absolutely have to attack me for trying to do something about the violence in my community perhaps you could do it via PM, or maybe I could provide you with my personal email. I do enjoy your rants very very much, so I'd hate to see you removed from the forum.

Yours truly,
Curtman.

[andyt]

Curtman Curtman:

Thanos Thanos:

What I do have a major problem with is that assholes like you come along and try to use medical marijuana as a wedge towards full legalization of your brain-dead little hobby. What that means is that you're nothing but a goddamn parasite sucking off of sick people to get your own deservedly illegal jollies legitimized and decriminalized. That means that you, and 99% of the other potheads out there, don't give a damn at all about the needs of the sick. The only reason clowns like you spout off about this particular issue is for your own selfish and narcissitic benefit.

I know what jerkoffs like you are all about, stoner. You can fool the others all you want but your well-practiced and patented line of pure horseshit about legalization will not ever fool me. Fuck off and drop dead.

I believe Scape asked us to tone it down, so please have a little respect for the mods. If you absolutely have to attack me for trying to do something about the violence in my community perhaps you could do it via PM, or maybe I could provide you with my personal email. I do enjoy your rants very very much, so I'd hate to see you removed from the forum.

Yours truly,
Curtman.

Good one.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

andyt andyt:

Scape Scape:

The oxyneo issue is very serious. It is a symptom of a much larger issue. I seriously think it is time to consider mj as an above board drug just to deal with the dependency issues. We need more tools to deal with this issue not less.

How do you mean? Do you see mj as a substitute for opioids? I personally think mj as an analgesic is a bit of a red herring. I just don't recall being immune to pain when I smoked it - but then it wasn't the super weed of today. I support legalization, and can see the application of mj for chemo to reduce nausea and for AIDS to increase appetite, but personally I always thought the supposed pain relief it gives is bs.

What we need to do is legalize heroin for pain relief purposes. And for chronic pain I think going without drugs if at all possible is the way to go. Opioids produce tolerance anyway. Seems to be some good work being done with meditation - it's just not a quick fix.

Believe it or not, some medi-pot is being engineered towards having a more analgesic effect. I have run across some from time to time that my friend picks up from the compassion centre that had surprising pain relieving properties, less buzz, more relief. In my late teens/early 20s, I had a couple of girlfriends that didn't smoke pot, except at that time of the month. They swore up and down it helped with their cramps. The efficacy of pot as a pain reliever is also dependent on the kind of pain. For example, when my whiplash acts up, all pot does (to me anyway) is make the inevitbale killer headache arrive much quicker.
But when my lower back is aching or my knee starts throbbing, it does take the edge off so I can do something other than focus on how much it friggin' hurts.

As for using pot as a substitute for opioids, I personally know about a half dozen ex-junkies that were able to stay off the junk after de-tox and rehab by substituting weed for the shit. And in the case of the mom of one of my friends, it was the recommended therapy. And that was in the days before methadone clinics.
Since then, I've seen a few studies that are suggesting that "weed therapy" for junkies is a reasonably effective method.

Thanos Thanos:

Get off the drugs, son. There's no hope at all for Curt anymore. He's a lost cause. You've still got time to save yourself though from the misery of substance abuse.

I did save myself from the misery of substance abuse. I quit drinking.
My smoking OTOH, has been an off and on thing for almost 30 years. As difficult as it may be for you to believe, many smokers smoke the same way people drink responsibly. It's not joint after joint after joint, vegging out in front of the TV/video game/internet. Yes, I admit, I've met people like that. I've also met their alcoholic counterparts.

Oh and I've done REAL drugs; coke, acid, mesc, PCP, opium. NOT recommended. To call pot a drug in the same context is friggin' laughable. Believe me, my life has not been the least bit miserable, except when some asshole comes along and screws around with it
And no, I'm not inferring you're an asshole

[andyt]

The US (5% of world pop) uses 56% of world pain killers. They must really be hurting.