[Macguyver]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Macguyver Macguyver:

Did you read the article? Nevermind, you didn't.

Did you at least read some of the thread? Stupid question. Nevermind, great contribution to the topic dude!

Of course I did...I don't buy the smuggling argument as being a major factor.

Well then you would have read that only 100 people in the area are being prescribed the drug legally. So your statement about doctors handing out prescriptions of a healthy profit sounds pretty stupid for someone who's read the article.

[Regina]

Macguyver Macguyver:

Regina Regina:

Great audits....... They really got on top of this one.
http://www.tbnewswatch.com/news/7424/An ... fraud-case

Wow, good article. I actually read it on the last page of the thread though. Why not post it a third time. Nice find, again.

I tend to trust the Auditor General a little more alot more than you though.

Figures..........you've got nothing.

[Regina]

Of course the pills are being smuggled in. The locals go back and forth to the larger cities and bring them back. This week they charged a reserve resident with trafficking. He had 8 Oxy with a street value there of $3,840. Good money in it for them.

[andyt]

$450 a piece? Will somebody please explain where the money for that comes from? Even assuming massive financial malfeasance of the reserve leaders there doesn't seem to be enough money in a reserve for that sort of cost. I do not get it.

[Lemmy]

What's a fuck/blow-job worth? Some of that $450 is surely taken out in trade.

[andyt]

I doubt if the bulk of it is, Lemmy. The dealers also need to make money, and supposedly the natives don't have any. I made the point earlier that the usual ways for addicts to support their habits in the cities, prostitution and crime, wouldn't seem viable in a remote reserve composed of supposedly desperately poor people.

Think of the economics: one pill costs $450 - say enough to for one day for one person. What's a crack whore go for these days? Gotta be a lot less than one pill's worth. So that dealer would be getting sucked dry trying to supply the reserve on blow jobs alone, and what about the men and children who are addicted.

[Yogi]

It appears that smuggling is the main source of OC on the reserves.

http://www.edmontonsun.com/2012/02/17/a ... rchers-say


But like many others here, I too gotta ask " Where the hell are the residents getting the kind of money necessary to buy these pills from"???

[peck420]

andyt,

Depends on the strength of the pill.

If it is of good quality, they will cut one pill down and make 5-6 out of it. Sell them for $100 a pop.

It's how they do it with marijuana, cocaine, heroine, etc...will probably hold true for Oxy.

[andyt]

Then the addicts just need more pills. The strongest pill seems to be 80mg - presumably that's a single dose for somebody in serious pain who may be habituated to the drug. Certainly snorting or injecting it will hit a lot harder than when taken as directed. But the high will also wear off faster. If these are seriously addicted people (hence the concern for massive withdrawal), you'd think they'd need a pill a day easy.

But even at $100 a day - how can somebody on welfare afford that? In Vancouver, assuming they spent all their rent and food money that would last 6 days - and they'd have no shelter or food. The reason Vancouver has so many drug addicts is that it has a lot of wealth that the addicts can access thru crime. And I guess some of them even work if their jones isn't too bad. And drugs are probably cheaper here.

I guess I'm just missing something here, but to me it doesn't add up.

[Yogi]

The move to change the make-up of OC isn't going to do a goddamn bit of good towards curbing serious addiction on the reserves, anymore than Molsons move to pull cheap 10% beer from the shelves is going to cut down/curb alcoholism!

http://www.edmontonsun.com/2012/02/17/m ... -shelves-2


The pushers and addicts will just switch business to another drug. Likely more powerful & devastating than OC.

In an urban setting such as Vancouver, when supply dries up, it follows that price goes up. The addicts just have to commit more crimes in order to be able to pay the higher prices. On the Rez, there are only so many 'opportunities' to steal goods to sell. Again I gotta ask "Where the hell is the money coming from"???

[andyt]

Yogi Yogi:

The move to change the make-up of OC isn't going to do a goddamn bit of good towards curbing serious addiction on the reserves, anymore than Molsons move to pull cheap 10% beer from the shelves is going to cut down/curb alcoholism!

http://www.edmontonsun.com/2012/02/17/m ... -shelves-2


The pushers and addicts will just switch business to another drug. Likely more powerful & devastating than OC.

In an urban setting such as Vancouver, when supply dries up, it follows that price goes up. The addicts just have to commit more crimes in order to be able to pay the higher prices. On the Rez, there are only so many 'opportunities' to steal goods to sell. Again I gotta ask "Where the hell is the money coming from"???

Hey, that's my line.

[Regina]

peck420 peck420:

andyt,

Depends on the strength of the pill.

If it is of good quality, they will cut one pill down and make 5-6 out of it. Sell them for $100 a pop.

It's how they do it with marijuana, cocaine, heroine, etc...will probably hold true for Oxy.

Yes it's the quantity size of the pill that matters. A 40mg pill is worth half the value of a 80mg. The article I posted didn't say what strength the 8 pills were........although I was assuming it was a larger strength, such as 80mg.

As far as getting the money for drugs it's like any other drug or addiction. Beg, borrow, steal and sex. $50 blow job and she's good for the day.

[OnTheIce]

Macguyver Macguyver:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Macguyver Macguyver:

Did you read the article? Nevermind, you didn't.

Did you at least read some of the thread? Stupid question. Nevermind, great contribution to the topic dude!

Of course I did...I don't buy the smuggling argument as being a major factor.

Well then you would have read that only 100 people in the area are being prescribed the drug legally. So your statement about doctors handing out prescriptions of a healthy profit sounds pretty stupid for someone who's read the article.

There's not a way in hell these people are paying street value for this pills. It doesn't add up.

[andyt]

Regina Regina:

As far as getting the money for drugs it's like any other drug or addiction. Beg, borrow, steal and sex. $50 blow job and she's good for the day.

So you're saying that an oxy habit costs $50 a day. Are you sure of this number?

$50 a day on a reserve where supposedly up to 70% of the people are addicted and almost everybody is on welfare, where does that money come from? I doubt the remaining 30% have enough for the addicts to Beg, borrow, steal and sex from. It just sounds like there is a lot more money floating around reserves than their leaders want us to think. But instead of housing and education it's going up people's noses and in their arms. This isn't counting all the booze and other drugs are are also going around in the reserves. WTF?

[Macguyver]

Regina Regina:

Figures..........you've got nothing.

So I have you claiming they get maybe one audit a year, and I have Sheila Copps saying they do 200 a year.

You must be right...NOT. Get a life.