[Bacardi4206]

Come on guys, let's just be reasonable here. They can forget the apology but not all of them were anti-Canadian rebels. Atleast 50% of them should get there $5 back. Can buy some beers with that.

[BeaverFever]

Youd think "the indians" would just understand by now that theres no such thing as justice for them and just give up with all these claims. Our gov't never had any intention of hounouring their promises in the first place.

[andyt]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Youd think "the indians" would just understand by now that theres no such thing as justice for them and just give up with all these claims. Our gov't never had any intention of hounouring their promises in the first place.

One could only hope.

[Gunnair]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Youd think "the indians" would just understand by now that theres no such thing as justice for them and just give up with all these claims. Our gov't never had any intention of hounouring their promises in the first place.

Maybe you should read the article. Unfaithfullness to treaties seemed to have gone both ways.

However, accepting the facts isn't near as much fun as kneejerking around the thread like like you're jogging in place.

[BeaverFever]

Gunnair Gunnair:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Youd think "the indians" would just understand by now that theres no such thing as justice for them and just give up with all these claims. Our gov't never had any intention of hounouring their promises in the first place.

Maybe you should read the article. Unfaithfullness to treaties seemed to have gone both ways.

However, accepting the facts isn't near as much fun as kneejerking around the thread like like you're jogging in place.

I think YOU should have read the article:

$1:

Esperance added that band members of the day were not involved in the fighting between forces loyal to Louis Riel and Canada.

"Chief Beardy had nothing to do with it," he said. "[Withholding the treaty annuity] was kind of a punishment for the people that participated. But then the other ones that didn't participate suffered along."

Sounds like this group was subjected to a little collective punishment for the actions of others.

[Gunnair]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Gunnair Gunnair:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Youd think "the indians" would just understand by now that theres no such thing as justice for them and just give up with all these claims. Our gov't never had any intention of hounouring their promises in the first place.

Maybe you should read the article. Unfaithfullness to treaties seemed to have gone both ways.

However, accepting the facts isn't near as much fun as kneejerking around the thread like like you're jogging in place.

I think YOU should have read the article:

$1:

Esperance added that band members of the day were not involved in the fighting between forces loyal to Louis Riel and Canada.

"Chief Beardy had nothing to do with it," he said. "[Withholding the treaty annuity] was kind of a punishment for the people that participated. But then the other ones that didn't participate suffered along."

Sounds like this group was subjected to a little collective punishment for the actions of others.

That's how it works when you make treaty deals with a group of people. You expect the group to keep faith.

If BC rejects the HST, the government (and more importantly, the residents of BC) have to return the 2 billion dollars we recieved as part of the deal. In your world, we should keep the 2 billion.

Then again, following your curious logic of not taking treaty breaking out on the general population, that should also mean that the Canadian taxpayer should not be subject to financial and legal collective punishment because of the mistakes of past governments.

I'd agree with that.

[BeaverFever]

No, the article seems to make it clear that this "entitlement" was specific to each band, and that this particular band honoured the terms of treaty. The article says that the entitlement was only taken away from certain bands that joined the rebellion, and that this band did not join the rebellion.

[CDN_PATRIOT]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

No, the article seems to make it clear that this "entitlement" was specific to each band, and that this particular band honoured the terms of treaty. The article says that the entitlement was only taken away from certain bands that joined the rebellion, and that this band did not join the rebellion.

Do you honestly believe this is about the rebellion? Bottom line is that this particular group has squandered their money, and want the government to bail them out yet again. It's a neverending circle with these people.

Enough is enough.

-J.

[BeaverFever]

believe what, that they didn't participate?

Regarding the rest of your post: how do you know they squandered their money? And even if they did, if I actually owe somebody money, can I just not pay them because theyve "squandered" other money in the past? I dont think that would hold up in court.

[Brenda]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

believe what, that they didn't participate?

Regarding the rest of your post: how do you know they squandered their money? And even if they did, if I actually owe somebody money, can I just not pay them because theyve "squandered" other money in the past? I dont think that would hold up in court.

If you owe someone money, and you don't pay it, would it hold up in court if their great-great-great-grand children would sue your great-great-great-grand children, with interest, so that $100 you owed turns into $25M?

I dunno, but when I die before my house is paid off, my kids do not inherit the mortgage, or ANY other loan I have.

[Mustang1]

This part seems of interest - "Esperance added that band members of the day were not involved in the fighting between forces loyal to Louis Riel and Canada." And? A band elder says it, so it's now history? Methinks not. Let's have the courts decide it with credible, trained, unbiased historians weighing in on the group's "alleged" involvement in the Northwest Rebellion. Maybe this is why the federal government is bothering to fight the $4 million.

[BeaverFever]

Brenda Brenda:

If you owe someone money, and you don't pay it, would it hold up in court if their great-great-great-grand children would sue your great-great-great-grand children, with interest, so that $100 you owed turns into $25M?

I dunno, but when I die before my house is paid off, my kids do not inherit the mortgage, or ANY other loan I have.

They're not suing the great grandchildren, they are suing the organization that existed then and continues to exist today, which is the Government of Canada. Just because different people are working there today doesnt absolve them of liability.

When you die, your estate could still be liable for any debts outstanding. And as mentioned above, the "Government of Canada" didn't die and that is the organization who is liable - the Government has bank accounts and assets in its own name, some of those assets are technically due to this liability not being paid out.

[quote=Mustang1]Let's have the courts decide it with credible, trained, unbiased historians weighing in on the group's "alleged" involvement in the Northwest Rebellion[/quote]. Of course that would have to be part of it. My only point is that if they are found to be correct, the govt has to pay. We can't just welsh on a valid obligation simply because "we're sick of indians complaining".

[Gunnair]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Of course that would have to be part of it. My only point is that if they are found to be correct, the govt has to pay. We can't just welsh on a valid obligation simply because "we're sick of indians complaining".

Fair enough.

The other point, which seems lost on you, is we don't need to throw money at any particular group simply because they do complain.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

I think YOU should have read the article:

$1:

Esperance added that band members of the day were not involved in the fighting between forces loyal to Louis Riel and Canada.

"Chief Beardy had nothing to do with it," he said. "[Withholding the treaty annuity] was kind of a punishment for the people that participated. But then the other ones that didn't participate suffered along."

Sounds like this group was subjected to a little collective punishment for the actions of others.

Oh for sure, cuz chances are Esperance has absolutely nothing to gain and therefore wouldn't lie to get it.

[weaselways]

The head of the "Specific Claims Tribunal" has accepted the claim, its up to the government negoiate, pay out or attempt to reverse the decision thru the courts. Looking at the options, again, I reinterate paying 4M is the easiest and least costly for both sides way to end it.