[kenmore]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

kenmore kenmore:

Smokers cost the health care system millions of dollars each year and its a proven fact that 3rd hand smoke is more harmful than the smoke from cigarettes. It is a drug habit just like the other unacceptable drugs. Should be banned totally!

What exactly is third hand smoke?

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Smokers cost the health care system millions of dollars each year

So do obese people. So do those who suffer from hereditary diseases. Do you propose denying them treatment?

Also, smokers pay millions in taxes for cigarettes, maybe we should start a sin tax on junk food!

Happy to hear you quit.! 3rd hand smoke is the chemicals that are residual on clothing, furniture, walls, drinking glasses and butts. The chemicals ( over 400 ) in cigarettes leeches into materials and is breathed in or ingested by people.

[2Cdo]

Brenda Brenda:

2Cdo 2Cdo:

What exactly is third hand smoke?

The air you as a non-smoker breathe out when you are around a smoker?

(just guessing here, I'm just as curious )

I'm serious as well. I understand second hand smoke as someone breathing in anothers cigarette smoke(without helping pay for it ) Is third hand when the second hand smoke guy breathes out?

[2Cdo]

kenmore kenmore:

2Cdo 2Cdo:

kenmore kenmore:

Smokers cost the health care system millions of dollars each year and its a proven fact that 3rd hand smoke is more harmful than the smoke from cigarettes. It is a drug habit just like the other unacceptable drugs. Should be banned totally!

What exactly is third hand smoke?

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Smokers cost the health care system millions of dollars each year

So do obese people. So do those who suffer from hereditary diseases. Do you propose denying them treatment?

Also, smokers pay millions in taxes for cigarettes, maybe we should start a sin tax on junk food!

Happy to hear you quit.! 3rd hand smoke is the chemicals that are residual on clothing, furniture, walls, drinking glasses and butts. The chemicals ( over 400 ) in cigarettes leeches into materials and is breathed in or ingested by people.

Thank you for the answer.

[Brenda]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

kenmore kenmore:

Happy to hear you quit.! 3rd hand smoke is the chemicals that are residual on clothing, furniture, walls, drinking glasses and butts. The chemicals ( over 400 ) in cigarettes leeches into materials and is breathed in or ingested by people.

Thank you for the answer.

It makes sense too...
Something that smells so bad cannot be good for you...

[kenmore]

I didn't propose not treating smokers, I said smoking should be banned. You are right as well obesity is a handicap and for some food is an addiction. I agree with some provinces who have sued the tobacco companies, because I feel they are responsible for thousands of deaths each year. And I know the government receives billions in tax revenues from tobacco sales. I just know I work Palliative care sometimes and most people who are dying of lung cancer all say the same thing. " I wish I paid attention and didn't smoke, but its an addiction. Bladder cancer is caused by two chemicals. One is tobacco chemicals and the other is rubber. I used to smoke as well from age 14-15. I quit when my mother died of lung/breast cancer and we were allowed to see her lungs after autopsy. Even back then the doctor said it was directly related to her smoking.

[bootlegga]

Sounds good to me.

My family and I went on a couple of picnics this year and in several instances had to move when some inconsiderate jerk(s) set up beside us and begin to smoke more than a chimney. For me and my wife, it's not just the harmful byproducts and noxious smell, it's also the fact that both of us are allergic to cigarette smoke. It wasn't as bad when I was younger, but nowadays a few minutes of smoke makes my throat raw and scratchy and gives me nausea and a massive headache the next day.

I have no problem with people wanting to smoke, however far too many smokers feel they have the right to light up wherever and whenever they please, irregardless of people around them. And if you have the gall to ask them to stop, holy fuck. Dirty looks are usually the least of your worries, with the worst offenders purposely blowing smoke your way and/or swearing at you.

IMHO, the only other thing besides bad weather that can ruin a picnic with my family is some inconsiderate jerk smoking five feet away from us.

Smoke if you want to, but don't subject those who don't choose to do so as well to putting up with your nasty second hand smoke. It's like the joke about Pepsi and smokers.

**Every now and then you enjoy a cigarette and the byproduct (smoke) from that gets in my hair, clothes, and on my skin. On the other hand, every now and then you enjoy a Pepsi. Do you mind if the byproduct of my Pepsi (piss) gets in your hair, clothes and on your skin? **

[Choban]

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What exactly is third hand smoke?

Third hand smoke is all the new rage, it apparently is the odor and particles that stick to people who smoke.

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Also, smokers pay millions in taxes for cigarettes, maybe we should start a sin tax on junk food

Don't mock they are considering it.

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Smokers cost the health care system millions of dollars each year

Many things do this, the difference with smoking (not that I'm defending smoking) is that if everybody just up and quit, or the gov't outlawed smoking, the negative economical impact would be immediate whereas the benifit on the healthcare system would take years to filter through due to future illnessess caused by past smoking.

I think the argument for those who smoke is this.
It's already banned pretty much everywhere, you cannot smoke in vehicles with children (nor should you), you cannot smoke in alot of rental properties. Hell even Ontario banned truckers from smoking in their trucks on the basis that it is a workplace (regardless of weather they own their trucks or not), and now they are saying no smoking in municipal parks (not just playgrounds but large urban parks), at which point do we say enough, We have personal freedoms and choices and the government keeps nosing in on this one in paticular, they should either make it illegal or leave the minority that continues to smoke alone.

[Bodah]

When I was a smoker I was pretty aware of my surroundings and people around me. I always went out of my way to make sure as best as possible no one else was inhaling my smoke. But if I was sitting at a park smoking and some person sits next to me and starts with the pathetic fake cough routine, then inevitably says "excuse me sir do you mind not smoking"

Eat shit you pink lung bastard.

As far as them being a burden on our health care system financially that's bull shit the government rakes in billions annually money that's used for other programs that probably most people here take advantage of.

When they passed the smoking by-law in Ottawa for bars and restaurants, initially they left patio's alone. Then that got amended to if the patio was covered you couldn't smoke on the patio. Some people just left the patio and stood next to the railing talking to their friends hoping the wind was blowing in the right direction. Stupid shit.

[Choban]

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I agree with some provinces who have sued the tobacco companies, because I feel they are responsible for thousands of deaths each year.

I don't simply because the Government allowed it to happen in the first place, did we have the number of health risks from smoking before they allowed mass production and addition of all these harmfull chemicals they put in cigarettes? Now I'm not saying that back in the 1800's there was not adverse effect from smoking, but there was less as people would buy tobacco from a farmer or the market and roll their own, no additives just plain old dried tobacco.

[Choban]

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Smoke if you want to, but don't subject those who don't choose to do so as well to putting up with your nasty second hand smoke.

I agree, the sad thing is that it got to a point where the government felt they needed to ban smoking in public parks.
I smoke still, I don't like it, I don't think anyone should make the choice for me though. I though should add that everytime (and it hasn't happened often) someone asked me to move because the smoke was bothering them I did so, without pause.

[Choban]

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When they passed the smoking by-law in Ottawa for bars and restaurants

Restaurants I agreed with, bars not so, I feel a place where adults converge to do social drinking should be exempt, those that have an issue with smoke should go to lounges inside retaurants and enjoy a drink there, just as I do not frequent bars or pubs anymore because I have to go outside to smoke

[Brenda]

I would never ask you to move or to not smoke outside. Inside, when it's prohibited, yeah, I would, but outside? Nahhh... There is a line, and telling someone to not smoke outside, is crossing that line, imo.

I am not allergic tho, that changes everything. Depending on who's where first (ie: picnic), I would move myself.

[uwish]

I used to smoke cigarettes, gave that up years ago. I do now however, enjoy the occasional cigar. As of yet, I have never had one person tell me they did not like the smell of them. I don't smoke them inside, I think it is a big difference between smoking the leaf (ie pipe, and cigar tobacco) and cigarettes. I am not blind, I know 'smoking' in general is not good, but at least there are no burning enhancers, tar, benzine, or any other added chemicals to the leafs I smoke.

I bet thats why they smell so good!

So, I smoke them usually on my back deck, if it's windy the smoke drifts to my neighbours, and it's my neighbours who tell me how good they smell!

While I agree with limiting smoking, there are times when I have enjoyed a cigar in the park, or on the beach, etc. But I am very conscious about not being 'right' beside anyone when I do. But I never get any comments other than, 'man those smell nice'

but this is in a presumably large park, there is lots of space, I think it is getting pretty disturbing how much the government 'knows what's best' for us sheeple.

[Choban]

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I am not allergic tho, that changes everything. Depending on who's where first (ie: picnic), I would move myself.

I read that smoke allergy is actually just sensitivity to smoke that enhances other allergies, I'll try to find a link to the article, not to say that it doesn't bother people with these allergies. I'm sure my outlook would be different if I was allergic as well, though I know people who claim to be allergic yet still smoke themselves.

[Brenda]

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As of yet, I have never had one person tell me they did not like the smell of them.

Let me be the first then!
I HATE THE SMELL OF CIGARS!
Always have, even when I smoked myself