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PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 10:42 am
 


"the top 15 military spenders in the world, and the sixth biggest spender among the 28 NATO" Is there a NATO country that isn't "in the world"?


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 10:46 am
 


Maybe Poland?


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 12:36 pm
 


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 12:58 pm
 


Comparing defence spending to GDP is just as useless as comparing the total dollars spent. Neither one is an accurate measure of what we need for the CF to do the jobs its tasked for.

When you talk dollars, $20 billion sounds like an awful lot, but compared to what we need our military to do, it's far less than we should be spending. After all, other than the US and Denmark, none of the other NATO nations has such a massive Arctic backdoor to worry about.

When you talk percentage GDP, the argument is just as specious. Which military is bigger, badder and better equipped, us or the Danes. They spend more than us per capita wise, but in a shooting war, we're going to fighter better, hit harder and take on far more missions than the relatively small Danish forces can.

The right amount of defence spending is one that allows us to patrol the Arctic, field a brigade group or two, and have an adequate naval and aerial presence to patrol our coasts.

So far, we aren't close. I'd say $25 - 30 billion is what we should be spending on the CF. For that price, we can't afford carriers (which we don't need anyways) or indigenous SSNs, but we could afford a dozen of those 212s capable of three weeks under the ice, and maybe a helicopter carrier, though I doubt Canada truly needs one.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 1:05 pm
 


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llama66 llama66:
I'd love to see us develop and actually build our our own class of SSN subs and acquire at least 2 Aircraft Carriers and perhaps add one or two new destroyer and frigate classes. but yeah The military really is no longer the joke that it was before. I wonder what Armoured Fighting Vehicle we are looking at now...is it still the CV90?



So I take it you'll be enlisting right away? The navy does not have enough guys to sail all of their present ships.


I'd enlist if we had a carrier. I should have enlisted 10 years ago, while I was still in College.


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