[SigPig]

stemmer stemmer:

I guess you haven't noticed Toyota, Nissan & Honda's trucks and SUVs are now as big as the Big Three's. Or have you not seen a Toyota Tundra lately? Or a Tacoma or a Land Cruiser or ??? Toyota has as many SUVs as GM, Mopar or Ford...

But I'll excuse you as you were probably blinded by the tears of the Make Me Laughs not making this years playoffs....

But the SUVs and pickups are all that the Big Three have. They put all their effort into them instead of ALSO offering smaller more fuel efficient vehicles that people want to buy. GM's stock has been falling since 2005, Chrysler only has the Dodge and Jeep lines, but no cars under the chrysler brand that sell very well. They are dying and need all the help they can get. Get over it.

Enjoy watching the Blues get swept by the 'Nucks. XXXXXX - Mod edit. There was no call for that.

[bootlegga]

stemmer stemmer:

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

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I hope Fiat does not purchase Chrysler as Chrysler and GM must remain a North American corporation. For one thing it's a matter of national security...

Have you been living in a bunker for the past 10 yrs.? There are no Corporations that are based on nationality or national interests anymore.

Chrysler is a valued member of the US industrial-military complex...

Bullshit, Chrysler hasn't built military goods for more than 2 decades. If it was Boeing, Lockheed, or Raytheon, this argument might work, but Chrysler...I don't think so

[SigPig]

bootlegga bootlegga:

Bullshit, Chrysler hasn't built military goods for more than 2 decades. If it was Boeing, Lockheed, or Raytheon, this argument might work, but Chrysler...I don't think so

Good luck convincing Stemmer of that. He is still stuck in the 1960's when Chrysler still built tanks to fight those evil Soviets.

[stemmer]

I guess you blokes never heard of Electrospace Systems Inc. and Chrysler Technologies Airborne Systems Inc....They are subsidiaries of Chrysler and have been awarded military contracts in the 1990's...

[SigPig]

stemmer stemmer:

I guess you blokes never heard of Electrospace Systems Inc. and Chrysler Technologies Airborne Systems Inc....They are subsidiaries of Chrysler and have been awarded military contracts in the 1990's...

Both of those were bought by Raytheon in 1996. Get with the times Stemmer.

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Raytheon Company announced today that it has agreed to purchase Chrysler Technologies' aircraft modification and defense electronics businesses from Chrylser Corporation for $455 million in cash.

Link

[stemmer]

And I said in the 1990's.... Go back and re-read... A healthy & viable Chrysler could once again become a valued member of the military industrial complex... OR do do you really think Toyota, Nissan or Tata Motors would step up to the plate and fill the void....???

[bootlegga]

stemmer stemmer:

And I said in the 1990's.... Go back and re-read... A healthy & viable Chrysler could once again become a valued member of the military industrial complex... OR do do you really think Toyota, Nissan or Tata Motors would step up to the plate and fill the void....???

We don't need anyone to fill the void...Boeing, Lockheed and Raytheon are all doing just fine.

[SigPig]

stemmer stemmer:

And I said in the 1990's.... Go back and re-read... A healthy & viable Chrysler could once again become a valued member of the military industrial complex... OR do do you really think Toyota, Nissan or Tata Motors would step up to the plate and fill the void....???

Actually you said they ARE a subsidiary of Chrysler, implying that they still are.

I agree a healthy and viable Chrysler could fill that void. But it is not healthy, nor is it viable. Plus we aren't losing the plants and the manufacturing base. Vehicles will still be produced here.

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Mr. Marchionne said the Fiat Cinquecento (Italian for 500), the hot-selling car launched in 2007 and credited with ensuring the revival of Fiat, would be introduced in North America as early as next year.

It would be built in North America, but would probably carry the Fiat badge because the company considers the Cinquecento a brand in its own right.

Chrysler would launch its own small car based on the Cinquecento platform, as Ford has done in Europe with the new Ka. “Chrysler needs its own Cinquecento, meaning a model that is the remaking of Chrysler,” Mr. Marchionne said.

These plants that could revert to "other production" if necessary.

What I don't understand is you have said that you would rather see Chrysler go under then be taken over by Fiat. That is a bigger hit to your "national security argument" because the manufacturing base, the technology expertise and the labour skill set is all lost in that case. Wouldn't that be worse then seeing viable Chrysler owned partially by Fiat? Plus Fiat is not gaining a majority stake in Chrysler, they are getting up to 49%.

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Fiat, with the backing of the White House, has proposed taking a 20-per-cent stake in Chrysler, which is currently 80-per-cent owned by Cerberus Capital Management LP and 20-per-cent by Daimler AG of Germany, owner of Mercedes-Benz.

Upon reaching certain milestones, such as the rollout of Chrysler vehicles based on Fiat platforms, Fiat's ownership would rise in stages by 5-per-cent increments to 49 per cent.

You are advocating that all business deals be conducted under the possibility of total war and nuclear apocalypse. But the problem is that things just don't work that way anymore. Times have changed.

[PJB]

Do we really need more military equipment or are some folks here suggesting that we build military vehicles so these union asswipes can continue to earn high wages?

Let Chrysler go under, restructure and make vehicles that people want at an affordable price.

[Streaker]

stemmer stemmer:

Streaker Streaker:

stemmer stemmer:

Can you imagine the salaries of North American workers being decided by an Italian company.... This is revoltin'...!!!!!

Why is this revolting?

North America is slowly surrendering it's sovereignty over to the EU, Asia, Saudi's, etc. Decisions that should be made within our borders are now influenced and in some situations made outside of our borders.

No automaker is based in Canada. All the decisions are already made outside our borders.

[kenmore]

Jeeze... are they torys? sounds like blackmail to me... sound familiar?

[Mustang1]

stemmer stemmer:

I think I would prefer bankruptcy over any of the Big Three being being made a lackey of some foreign corporation....

Like Chrysler was of Daimler. At what point do you simply give up?

[stemmer]

SigPig SigPig:

stemmer stemmer:

And I said in the 1990's.... Go back and re-read... A healthy & viable Chrysler could once again become a valued member of the military industrial complex... OR do do you really think Toyota, Nissan or Tata Motors would step up to the plate and fill the void....???

Actually you said they ARE a subsidiary of Chrysler, implying that they still are.

I agree a healthy and viable Chrysler could fill that void. But it is not healthy, nor is it viable. Plus we aren't losing the plants and the manufacturing base. Vehicles will still be produced here.

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Mr. Marchionne said the Fiat Cinquecento (Italian for 500), the hot-selling car launched in 2007 and credited with ensuring the revival of Fiat, would be introduced in North America as early as next year.

It would be built in North America, but would probably carry the Fiat badge because the company considers the Cinquecento a brand in its own right.

Chrysler would launch its own small car based on the Cinquecento platform, as Ford has done in Europe with the new Ka. “Chrysler needs its own Cinquecento, meaning a model that is the remaking of Chrysler,” Mr. Marchionne said.

These plants that could revert to "other production" if necessary.

What I don't understand is you have said that you would rather see Chrysler go under then be taken over by Fiat. That is a bigger hit to your "national security argument" because the manufacturing base, the technology expertise and the labour skill set is all lost in that case. Wouldn't that be worse then seeing viable Chrysler owned partially by Fiat? Plus Fiat is not gaining a majority stake in Chrysler, they are getting up to 49%.

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Fiat, with the backing of the White House, has proposed taking a 20-per-cent stake in Chrysler, which is currently 80-per-cent owned by Cerberus Capital Management LP and 20-per-cent by Daimler AG of Germany, owner of Mercedes-Benz.

Upon reaching certain milestones, such as the rollout of Chrysler vehicles based on Fiat platforms, Fiat's ownership would rise in stages by 5-per-cent increments to 49 per cent.

You are advocating that all business deals be conducted under the possibility of total war and nuclear apocalypse. But the problem is that things just don't work that way anymore. Times have changed.

Allowing Fiat to take over Chrysler is allowing Italy and the EU to bend the air of politicians in Washington and Ottawa... At present it appears the USA and to a lesser extent Canada are at odds with Europe over many hot topics (seal hunt, global warming, Kyoto, Iraq, war on terror) and I for one think it would be unwise to have issues that affect our sovereignty being influenced by them...

The bulk of the automotive sector (both ownership and manufacturing) must be un North American control and not Italy, Germany, Japan, China, India or ????

[stemmer]

Mustang1 Mustang1:

stemmer stemmer:

I think I would prefer bankruptcy over any of the Big Three being being made a lackey of some foreign corporation....

Like Chrysler was of Daimler. At what point do you simply give up?

I am aware of that.

At one time Chrysler owned Lamborghini...

[Streaker]

If it's a question of sovereignty should we nationalise our auto industry?