[roger-roger]

Derby if you want to start an Afghanistan thread go ahead, but this one is not about that subject, this conflict has as much in common with Iraq as it does Afghanistan.

[hwacker]

Eisensapper Eisensapper:

Oh I know, no sooner did Israel stop the Gaza occupation, Hamas came in and started up shop again. If they would have just taken it as a victory and stopped things would have been getting better. Of course this is the place where 12 year old boys are expected to martyr themselves in the Holy Jihad.

Bingo, this will never stop, EVER.

There is a show from HBO about a couple of journalists, one muzzie and an English guy, they interviewed some of the families in Gaza, when 4 YO kids spews the hate verbatim from the Koran you’ll never get rid of the violence. EVER.

Now somebody find me a clip of some 4 YO Jewish kid doing the same and I might change my opinion on the muzzies.

Here is the page on the Doc

http://www.hbo.com/docs/programs/death_ ... index.html

[DerbyX]

StuntmanMike StuntmanMike:

Sorry Derby, but for someone who claims to be from a military background, that comment displays an astounding level of ignorance with regard to the role of peacekeepers and their duties.

Firstly, the proper term is "Buffer Zone", not "Buffering Zone". And yes, Canadians did perform an important role in Cyprus from 1964 to 1990.

In other words you are an idiot for questioning the advice my father gave when serving that very role.

Imagine that, using his real world experience..... My bad.

StuntmanMike StuntmanMike:

Nonsense. The Israeli Defence Force is certainly not above criticism. They've done wrong from time to time.

But I challenge you to post one picture, photo, or graphic of an IDF member summarily "executing" (your words) a civillian, POW or non-combatant. You will never find it. And if you did, I can assure you, the soldier who commits the atrocity will be subject to disciplinary action.

Love the Israelis or hate them, they do indeed subject themselves to the laws of war, unlike their opponents.

Your real world experience is as pathetically niave as your political experience.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_q ... _n14576608

That was what I googled in 5 seconds. What I've posted befoe was the video footage of a palestinian "terrorist" (who turned out to be a bricklayer) who was spread-eagled and "disarmed of his trovel" on the grounf before being shot in the head.

Your stupidity non-with-standing and you are indeed stupid, we cannot simply judge one side wrong and one side right.

We need to engage both sides.

[commanderkai]

The truce ended when the first rockets from Gaza hit Israel. The fact that the Israelis waited this long to strike back just shows the level of patience the Israeli government has shown.

This was a long, long time coming. Anybody who couldn't see that...well...sorry. But this has been building up for a long time, and now I await the fake funeral processions down the streets, faked photographs, and other BS propaganda from the Palestinian side pretending the IDF hit schools and hospitals for sympathy points while their terrorists keep lobbing rockets into Israeli neighborhoods

[DerbyX]

Eisensapper Eisensapper:

Derby if you want to start an Afghanistan thread go ahead, but this one is not about that subject, this conflict has as much in common with Iraq as it does Afghanistan.

Lets see. In afghanistan we invaded to depose a vicious regime who violated human rights.

We did the same in Afghanistan!

Oh, did I say afghanistan both times?

Funny how the same people supporting Iraq say the same things as those supporting afghanistan to us.

[commanderkai]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Your real world experience is as pathetically niave as your political experience.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_q ... _n14576608

Just looking through the article...

"Israel expressed regret over the deaths and said the casualties were a result of warning shots to hold back the crowd after several gunmen were spotted among several thousand marchers."

And the second incident mentioned seems to be an accident.

If this is your proof of Israelis are like the Palestinians, it's quite poor...maybe you should find the video.

Also, no Pallywood garbage please.

[DerbyX]

commanderkai commanderkai:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Your real world experience is as pathetically niave as your political experience.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_q ... _n14576608

Just looking through the article...

"Israel expressed regret over the deaths and said the casualties were a result of warning shots to hold back the crowd after several gunmen were spotted among several thousand marchers."

And the second incident mentioned seems to be an accident.

If this is your proof of Israelis are like the Palestinians, it's quite poor...maybe you should find the video.

Also, no Pallywood garbage please.

Funny how you dismiss civilian deaths when we do it yet its wrong when others do it eh?

[StuntmanMike]

DerbyX DerbyX:

In other words you are an idiot for questioning the advice my father gave when serving that very role.

Imagine that, using his real world experience..... My bad.

Your father's experience isn't your experience. And even if it was, I don't care. There are soldiers who stormed the beaches of Normandy who don't necessarily know alot about the strategic importance of that campaign. Any more so than a Ford assembly line worker understands the details of the economic challenges facing that corporation.

$1:

StuntmanMike StuntmanMike:

Nonsense. The Israeli Defence Force is certainly not above criticism. They've done wrong from time to time.

But I challenge you to post one picture, photo, or graphic of an IDF member summarily "executing" (your words) a civillian, POW or non-combatant. You will never find it. And if you did, I can assure you, the soldier who commits the atrocity will be subject to disciplinary action.

Love the Israelis or hate them, they do indeed subject themselves to the laws of war, unlike their opponents.

Your real world experience is as pathetically niave as your political experience.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_q ... _n14576608

That was what I googled in 5 seconds. What I've posted befoe was the video footage of a palestinian "terrorist" (who turned out to be a bricklayer) who was spread-eagled and "disarmed of his trovel" on the grounf before being shot in the head.

What, did you think I wouldn't click on it?

That's hardly an "execution" Derby. You've cited a story about Israeli soldiers opening up on a hostile mob that was protesting against them. The same thing happened countless time with the Brits in Northern Ireland as snipers hid behind mobs to take pot shots at soldiers, and to Canadians in Somalia, and to Yanks in Bagdad.

Those who hid behind the mobs always cynically used the shootings to inflame public opinion.

$1:

Your stupidity non-with-standing and you are indeed stupid, we cannot simply judge one side wrong and one side right.

We need to engage both sides.

Oh, well how can I argue with such an eloquent disertation. I am indeed "stupid", my "stupidity" not withstanding.

Grow up.

[commanderkai]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Funny how you dismiss civilian deaths when we do it yet its wrong when others do it eh?

Oh boy, here it starts. Okay. Look, accidents happen. The tank shell, if you read the article clearly states the shell went through the building and exploded over the crowd. The helicopter overhead would have been much better at slaughtering civilians if the IDF wanted that.

The second one. Well let's see, terrorists use civilians as human shields, civilians die. Well that's Israel's fault? What should they do, stand around until they all get killed off?

This isn't some video game where you can take a dozen or so bullets before reviving at the last checkpoint. Those soldiers are human, and the fact they had the self restraint to fire into the air instead of into the crowd shows something. The fact you can't admit that due to your anti-military or anti-Western biases just saddens me.

If you really want a rational discussion on military tactics. Don't use accidents and follow the norm of the armed forces. The norm for Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and whoever else on the Palestinian side has been rocket and mortar fire into civilian neighborhoods, suicide bombings on civilian infrastructure, and using civilian crowds and structures as cover for their operations.

The IDF does not use those tactics. Even if they did, it wouldn't matter since the Palestinians show no restraint for any civilian facilities.

[DerbyX]

StuntmanMike StuntmanMike:

Your father's experience isn't your experience. And even if it was, I don't care. There are soldiers who stormed the beaches of Normandy who don't necessarily know alot about the strategic importance of that campaign. Any more so than a Ford assembly line worker understands the details of the economic challenges facing that corporation.

Fuck you. More the yours which is apparently less then your average bear boo boo.

You have failed because you do not understand humanity.

failureboy failureboy:

That's hardly an "execution" Derby. You've cited a story about Israeli soldiers opening up on a hostile mob that was protesting against them. The same thing happened countless time with the Brits in Northern Ireland as snipers hid behind mobs to take pot shots at soldiers, and to Canadians in Somalia, and to Yanks in Bagdad.

I already explained THe same photos can't keep being fresh.

Rest assured dumbass they happened. Make sure the next time somebody denies the holocaust you agree with them because evidence has been altered.

You need to grow up and read about whats going on instead of getting all your info from "Spider-ME" comic books.

I know that juvenile comic books are your top speed but please.....

You are wrong. Just crawl away ......

[EyeBrock]

Those are pretty strange comments derby. You alright mate?

[ShepherdsDog]

Really? It seems to be his standard modus operandi. He even got nasty with Mustang 1 when he was schooled over bringing his 'opinion' to a discussion based on fact.

[DerbyX]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Those are pretty strange comments derby. You alright mate?

Which part?

Correcting the assholes who insulted my father and the entire peacekeeping effort for over 50 years?

Perhaps you mean the belief that only white christian nations should hold sway?

OK, that last statement was out of line. Sorry.

Its just that the desire for peace has suddenly become linked to radical islam.

Thats the true insult.

[StuntmanMike]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Fuck you.

Very profound. Can I quote you on that?

$1:

More the yours which is apparently less then your average bear boo boo.

You have failed because you do not understand humanity.

Um, o.k. Forgive me if I fail to respond. It's not because I don't have a come-back. It's because that's total jibberish and I can't think of anything to say.

$1:

You need to grow up and read about whats going on instead of getting all your info from "Spider-ME" comic books.

Actually, I prefer the National Post, Torstar, Harpers and Atlantic Monthly. I still read Time and Macleans too. Occasionally, I'll pick up a copy of the Toronto Sun, but they've really sucked over the last few years and I've lost interest.

Not sure where I'm missing out on what's going on with that range.

Either way, the back and forth insults are childish and we're done here unless you can raise an issue with some substance.

Go swear at someone else.

[BartSimpson]

commanderkai commanderkai:

The truce ended when the first rockets from Gaza hit Israel. The fact that the Israelis waited this long to strike back just shows the level of patience the Israeli government has shown.

Concur.