Calm down, cupcake. The mentality of both the "leaders" and of their fans are identical. The same narcissism and rich-boy privilege is present in both too. The blackface got shoved off the Canadian news by the sympathetic media as quickly as FOX or Rush Limbaugh does with each and every single Trump scandal as fast as they can.
This is Our Guy politics at it's most obvious and just because you don't like being told the Canadian Left possesses the same ugly flaw that the American Right doesn't make it untrue.
Literally says "memorandum" at the top. Not the actual transcript. Likely because one doesn't exist.
I got this addendum from the copy of the transcript or if you would prefer "memorandum" I got from CBC:
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CAUTION: A Memorandum of a Telephone Conversation.· (TELCON) is not a verbatim transcript of a discussion. The text in this document records the notes and recollections of Situation Room Duty "Officers and-NSC policy staff assigned to listen.and memorialize the conversation in written form as the conversation takes place. A number of factors can affect 'the accuracy of the record, including poor telecommunications connections and variations in accent and/or interpretation. The word "inaudible" is used to indicate portions of a conversation that the notetaker was unable to hear.
It is useful to read the whole thing for context though:
I'm finding the quotes or as some say "quote mining" we're getting from media to be distracting from the contextual truth.
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BartSimpson
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First, lawyers in the US have a fetish for calling things a 'memorandum' as if that somehow makes it less substantial. Fucking lawyers at my office have labeled all of our security polices as 'memorandums' and it pisses me off to no end.
Page three of the 'memorandum' clearly had Trump asking Zelensky for a copy of the image of Hillary Clinton's email server - which is why there is a reference to CrowdStrike.
If they have it and they hand it over then the bitch is going to go to prison just in time for the 2020 elections.
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Thanos Thanos:
None of it matters anyway. Trump's fans won't desert him over this any more than Trudeau's fans deserted him over the blackface. Or dropping the hammer on JWR. Or any of the other shit both of them have done.
This is the Age of Our Guy. Right or wrong, legal or criminal, smart or stupid. None of it means anything anymore. All that matters is pissing off the other guy to keep the increasingly stupid fans entertained, no matter how much the actions of these monsters wrecks everything around us. This is the looming catastrophe of our era. Not climate change. Not the spectre of war. Not the concentration of all wealth into the hands of a miniscule few. It's the entry of humanity as a whole into an over-arching world-wide society and culture with no morals or ethics whatsoever, and nothing good will come from this transition.
Sorry you can’t compare Trudeaus foibles and gaffes with the epic corruption, deceit, incompetence and instability of Trump. They’re just not the same.
Regardless of whether you personally agree with Liberal policies, Trudeau is simply the front man playing a role as the public face of a party that is much larger than him and is mostly made up of rational educated people.
Trump is an ignorant chimp with a machine gun and he doesn’t know what he’s going to do next any more than you do.
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BartSimpson BartSimpson:
First, lawyers in the US have a fetish for calling things a 'memorandum' as if that somehow makes it less substantial.
Or because they can't call it something it isn't. Transcript is a word for word written version of something that took place in a different medium (a speech, a conversation etc). A Memorandum is not. Words exist for a reason, and they mean different things for a reason. Just because you're incapable of knowing the difference doesn't make it stupid to use them correctly.
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BeaverFever BeaverFever:
Sorry you can’t compare Trudeaus foibles and gaffes with the epic corruption, deceit, incompetence and instability of Trump. They’re just not the same.
That doesn't make Trudeau's fuck-ups any less. We shouldn't be holding our leaders to the standard of Trump, we should be holding them to a higher standard. If the U.S. wants to let their country become a shit hole by electing someone who admits they haven't matured since 1st grade, that's their problem. We should, and need, to be better than them, which means holding people accountable and not playing whataboutism. Yes Trump is worse that Trudeau, but that's not exactly something to strive for is it?
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Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2019 6:18 pm
BeaverFever BeaverFever:
Thanos Thanos:
None of it matters anyway. Trump's fans won't desert him over this any more than Trudeau's fans deserted him over the blackface. Or dropping the hammer on JWR. Or any of the other shit both of them have done.
This is the Age of Our Guy. Right or wrong, legal or criminal, smart or stupid. None of it means anything anymore. All that matters is pissing off the other guy to keep the increasingly stupid fans entertained, no matter how much the actions of these monsters wrecks everything around us. This is the looming catastrophe of our era. Not climate change. Not the spectre of war. Not the concentration of all wealth into the hands of a miniscule few. It's the entry of humanity as a whole into an over-arching world-wide society and culture with no morals or ethics whatsoever, and nothing good will come from this transition.
Sorry you can’t compare Trudeaus foibles and gaffes with the epic corruption, deceit, incompetence and instability of Trump. They’re just not the same.
Regardless of whether you personally agree with Liberal policies, Trudeau is simply the front man playing a role as the public face of a party that is much larger than him and is mostly made up of rational educated people.
Trump is an ignorant chimp with a machine gun and he doesn’t know what he’s going to do next any more than you do.
I can when the egomania and narcissism of the two specimens is identical. Trudeau is damaging this country in the same way Trump is to the US. Trudeau is doing it by resorting to the typical Liberal playbook that emphasises regional division as the best tactic to assume and hold power. And it's been proven to work again, just like it did for his father, by the massive jump in inter-provincial and regional tensions since 2015, something that had been greatly supressed during Stephen Harper's time as PM.
The Liberals will always attempt to turn Canadians against each other. How is that any different than what Trump does, the way he stokes up Americans to hate each other? The only difference is that Trudeau and the Libs attach their usual phoney veneer of lofty goals to what they're doing, something that the national media and people like you always fall for, while when Trump does it he simply doesn't bother to hide that he's doing it only because he's an evil asshole who thinks putting people at each other's throats is funny.
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Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2019 6:48 pm
Thanos Thanos:
BeaverFever BeaverFever:
Thanos Thanos:
None of it matters anyway. Trump's fans won't desert him over this any more than Trudeau's fans deserted him over the blackface. Or dropping the hammer on JWR. Or any of the other shit both of them have done.
This is the Age of Our Guy. Right or wrong, legal or criminal, smart or stupid. None of it means anything anymore. All that matters is pissing off the other guy to keep the increasingly stupid fans entertained, no matter how much the actions of these monsters wrecks everything around us. This is the looming catastrophe of our era. Not climate change. Not the spectre of war. Not the concentration of all wealth into the hands of a miniscule few. It's the entry of humanity as a whole into an over-arching world-wide society and culture with no morals or ethics whatsoever, and nothing good will come from this transition.
Sorry you can’t compare Trudeaus foibles and gaffes with the epic corruption, deceit, incompetence and instability of Trump. They’re just not the same.
Regardless of whether you personally agree with Liberal policies, Trudeau is simply the front man playing a role as the public face of a party that is much larger than him and is mostly made up of rational educated people.
Trump is an ignorant chimp with a machine gun and he doesn’t know what he’s going to do next any more than you do.
I can when the egomania and narcissism of the two specimens is identical. Trudeau is damaging this country in the same way Trump is to the US. Trudeau is doing it by resorting to the typical Liberal playbook that emphasises regional division as the best tactic to assume and hold power. And it's been proven to work again, just like it did for his father, by the massive jump in inter-provincial and regional tensions since 2015, something that had been greatly supressed during Stephen Harper's time as PM.
The Liberals will always attempt to turn Canadians against each other. How is that any different than what Trump does, the way he stokes up Americans to hate each other? The only difference is that Trudeau and the Libs attach their usual phoney veneer of lofty goals to what they're doing, something that the national media and people like you always fall for, while when Trump does it he simply doesn't bother to hide that he's doing it only because he's an evil asshole who thinks putting people at each other's throats is funny.
What a load of horseshit. Regional divisions have been part of Canadian politics since 1867 and probably before. Harper was just as divisive as Trudeau and neither one is anywhere near as damaging to the country as Trump.
Thanos
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Yet the greatest moments of threat to national unity all happened under Liberal governments. The growth in popularity of the PQ. The FLQ crisis. The 1980 referendum. The massive explosion of Western alienation in the 1980's. The National Energy Program. The 1995 referendum. Every single one happened under Liberals, not those "racist and divisive" Tories. Got an actual explanation for any of that?
BeaverFever
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Thanos Thanos:
Yet the greatest moments of threat to national unity all happened under Liberal governments. The growth in popularity of the PQ. The FLQ crisis. The 1980 referendum. The massive explosion of Western alienation in the 1980's. The National Energy Program. The 1995 referendum. Every single one happened under Liberals, not those "racist and divisive" Tories. Got an actual explanation for any of that?
Those are just signs of the times, not creations of the liberals. And note that Quebec separatism was put to bed during Chretien-Martin years. In the nearly 120 years since 1900, Liberals were in power for roughly 80 of them. So I guess you have to give them credit for all the good ties too. There have only been 3 conservative governments since 1935: Harper, Mulroney and Diefenbaker. None of them were kumbaya leaders presiding over any golden age.
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16 and smarter than most Republicans, knows a pig when she sees one.
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N_Fiddledog
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Tucker explains what this is all about:
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BeaverFever BeaverFever:
There have only been 3 conservative governments since 1935: Harper, Mulroney and Diefenbaker. None of them were kumbaya leaders presiding over any golden age.
Wrong.
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Public_Domain Public_Domain:
Thanos Thanos:
Beats being angry all the time. Life's too short to let the activities of these evil fuckers ruin your day. Giving them the attention on a daily basis is no different from any other addiction - what you give them just keeps them fed while it drains all the energy from you.
I miss the days when our internet had been shut off.
I'll be real man, this feels like fighting for something, as hopeles as it may be, and that keeps me going.
What drains me is pretending for a moment I shouldn't be angry, that shit should just continue unabated, long live the status quo
They rule my life, I have to focus on them. they judge the fate of my loved ones. the world bends the knee to these ghouls. the bosses, the landlords, the plutocratic state and the conglomatastrophies that pump out dozens and dozens of identical copies of the same fucking shit in different packages and we sit back and act like it isn't super annoying to shop, not liberating, while vital needs for society like education and health are simply fucking ignored
And maybe, if I could turn back the clocks, keep religion and not find politics (and this forum), I'd take that deal, enjoy my steak and not have to be reminded that everything nice comes at the cost of being a fucking battery
But it's too late for any of that, without heavy drug abuse I suppose...
I do think i'm developing alzeimers or something bad memory wise. maybe that'll free me.
but there's plenty i can't do ~~when i'm gone~~
also guys, i joined this damn site when i was 13. it was my ONLY source and hub for political bullshit for at least another half a decade. 27 now. maybe take some responsibility
I do not understand why you are so angry. You live in a country where people from all around the world risk their very lives to get to any way that they can. They give away all their worldly possessions to be packed away in a cramped cargo container (not seeing the light of day for almost a month) to get to your country. Many of them die trying. Many get caught, and sent back. Millions of people around the world would literally kill to eat out of your garbage can. They want what you have. They want it for themselves, and their families. They want those dozens and dozens of identical copies of the same fucking shit in different packages that you were talking about. They would love to have that steak on the grill as well. You have it all, they want it all. I strongly suggest that some travel to some third world countries would give you a much better appreciation of what you have. Your forefathers busted their asses carving out a chunk of paradise in the new world. It was not easy for them. They worked, toiled, fought, and died to give you one of the best standards of living in the world today. You do not seem impressed in the slightest.
You state that education and health are being ignored. Canadian universities have seen a drastic increase of international students in the last few years. From a 20% increase at the University of Toronto to a 32% increase at McMaster University. Someone likes what they see. Canadian Universities have the perfect balance of cutting edge tech. to cost of attendance. Is it free? No it is not. Is it affordable? Yes it is. How is health care being ignored? Are you sleeping under mosquito nets at night? Are people staying indoors during summer over fear of polio? Do visitors to Canada need to receive immunization shots before visiting Canada? Is your health care system perfect? No. No one's system is. Millions if not billions of people on the planet would kill for their family to have your health care system.
You seem constantly pissed at the status quo. Where do you think its better? Name some places.