[BartSimpson]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Suddenly Trump has found some love and admiration in his heart for the Mullahs.

Say what?

How would you come to that wacky conclusion?

The only thing I can think of is you might be taking seriously the rhetorical agitprop of Iranian ministry spokesman Bahram Ghasemi.

In which wouldn't it be you who's "found some love and admiration in his heart for the Mullahs?"

x2.

[Thanos]

Sort of almost identical in terms of true love as the ardour the MAGAs have for the Saudis now ever since they let the Great Man touch their magic orb. Saudis did 9/11, still finance Al Qaeda & ISIS, and put hundreds of thousands of Americans out of work with their deliberate collapse of the world oil price? Pssht! Never happened. The Saudis are our friends, the Saudis have always been our friends! Same with Eastasia! No, it's Eurasia. You sure about that? Yeah, it's Eastasia this week and Eurasia next week...........

[N_Fiddledog]

I don't what it's going to take to get through to you that mistrust of the Iranians is not the same thing as trust of the Saudis, T.

[Thanos]

There isn't anything you guys wouldn't sell out for your sickening love of the sickening Great Man, and that includes anyone who's been hurt and murdered as a direct result of Saudi actions. Trump says the Saudis are A-OK and every single one of you falls for it. You're the easiest and most pathetic marks a carny like Trump has ever seen.

[Freakinoldguy]

I'm sorry but railing against Trump and his association with the House of Saud is pretty much like a hooker bitching about getting the clap after she slept with the entire 7th Fleet. You'd be much better served bitching about how every American Gov't from Eisenhower to Trump dealt with the Saudi's and why they all allow them to do the things they get away with.

Besides, if people are falling for it specifically because of Trump then what's the excuse for the ones who fell for it in the decades before he became President?

[Thanos]

I know. Canada has the same hypocrisy problem with Saudi oil docking at the Irving refineries in the Maritimes just because Quebec doesn't want to deal with "dirty" Alberta oil, even if what's produced in this country could easily fuel our national needs for the next five hundred years.

In the case of the US though the hammer should have been dropped on the Saudis right after 9/11. Instead, thanks to the net of incestuous business and political connections between the American oil companies/DC/Wall Street/Riyadh, the Saudis were let completely off the hook. At least Obama semi-addressed it by increasing domestic US production to the point of domestic self-sufficiency in order to reduce the amount of Saudi oil coming in. I doubt Trump cares one way or the other about any of that, other than to claim credit for a self-sufficiency program he had nothing at all to do with. And him increasing the amount of weapons sales to the Saudis just shows that any bluster he might have ever made about Riyadh's terrorism-funding are just more of his lies.

[ShepherdsDog]

with the smell of burning rubber in the air Fiddly Dee Dee with the smell of burning rubber in the air Fiddly Dee Dee:

The only thing I can think of

That says it all.

[BRAH]

Thanos Thanos:

I know. Canada has the same hypocrisy problem with Saudi oil docking at the Irving refineries in the Maritimes just because Quebec doesn't want to deal with "dirty" Alberta oil, even if what's produced in this country could easily fuel our national needs for the next five hundred years.

In the case of the US though the hammer should have been dropped on the Saudis right after 9/11. Instead, thanks to the net of incestuous business and political connections between the American oil companies/DC/Wall Street/Riyadh, the Saudis were let completely off the hook. At least Obama semi-addressed it by increasing domestic US production to the point of domestic self-sufficiency in order to reduce the amount of Saudi oil coming in. I doubt Trump cares one way or the other about any of that, other than to claim credit for a self-sufficiency program he had nothing at all to do with. And him increasing the amount of weapons sales to the Saudis just shows that any bluster he might have ever made about Riyadh's terrorism-funding are just more of his lies.

There's a solution for getting off the OPEC, Saudi gravy train it's Alberta's Oil Sands but they're evil or something.

[Thanos]

Business says otherwise because they're automatically going to go with the least expensive option. Keep in mind it's none of the governments that are putting the kibosh on building more refineries in Canada, especially in Alberta, so we can ship finished product instead of crude. It's from the oil companies themselves because they simply don't want more refineries because more refineries would create another over-supply situation and lower the price of finished fuels too much for their desired profit margin. I blame Quebec for a lot of what happened with Energy East, mostly because Denis Coderre was being such a malicious and insulting asshole about harming Alberta, but there's more than just Canada's typical luke-warm and insincere sense of national "brotherhood" that's making oilsands undesirable and unprofitable right now.

[Sunnyways]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Sunnyways Sunnyways:

Not everything is about America. I can't imagine the protesters would want to be associated with Trump who banned them from travelling to the US and wants to make life harder for all Iranians.

Not something I talk about a lot but I've been to Iran and the people there not only love America and Americans they particularly love the kind of Americans who don't kiss the asses of the mullahs. In my day that meant they revered Reagan and they liked Bill Clinton.

I can only imagine that they like Trump because regardless of what you think of Trump the man is bringing the Iranian people closer to freedom.

In the time of the Shah, my high school used to have trips there. I doubt if I'll ever see the place now.

Being pro-America is not the same as being pro-Trump. He has stopped them travelling to the US and more sanctions will hurt the poor.

Urging people to protest in a police state is a tricky business and may just cause more suffering. Look at Egypt and Syria. How will Trump protect protesters who think he will stand up for them?

https://news.sky.com/story/trump-pledge ... n-11194479

Overall I think the outside world will have a small effect. Iran is more likely to change when it's own security forces see the light.

[GreenTiger]

The Iranian people have been paying the price since 1979.

[Thanos]

Since 1953, when others elsewhere decided that they knew what was "better" for Iran than the people living there did.

[herbie]

GreenTiger GreenTiger:

The Iranian people have been paying the price since 1979.

Since they tried to run their own affairs instead of the same CARTEL Thanos described and had only the Ayatollah to rally behind. Other countries did the same with the commies and suffered the punishment from them too.
As will Canada if it DARES to use it's own resources or convince anyone they're worth as little as they can possibly get for them.

[BRAH]

Thanos Thanos:

Business says otherwise because they're automatically going to go with the least expensive option. Keep in mind it's none of the governments that are putting the kibosh on building more refineries in Canada, especially in Alberta, so we can ship finished product instead of crude. It's from the oil companies themselves because they simply don't want more refineries because more refineries would create another over-supply situation and lower the price of finished fuels too much for their desired profit margin. I blame Quebec for a lot of what happened with Energy East, mostly because Denis Coderre was being such a malicious and insulting asshole about harming Alberta, but there's more than just Canada's typical luke-warm and insincere sense of national "brotherhood" that's making oilsands undesirable and unprofitable right now.

Oil companies are not fully investing in Alberta because the NDP waited to long to give them answers on where the Government was going with policies related to the industry so these companies pulled the plug. As for Quebec all transfer payments to them should be suspended immediately since they don't support Alberta because in their World pipelines are evil and rail is safe.
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[BRAH]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

No the people of Iran do not love America. I know plenty of them. If anything they somewhat sympathize with having rulers that embarrass them.

But Iranians remember the 1953 coup, the support for Saddam, and the shooting down of a civilian aircraft by US forces. They want freedom but know that the US is not their friend.

Iranians love American culture, cars, movies and shopping and if the Country was ever invaded they would side with the regime.