[Jin-Gitaxias]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

It's not like you guys has to endure actual racism like being systematically persecuted and denied basic rights for hundreds of years.

You mean like the Jews?

Yup, anti-Semitism is the only real racism ... because we want Israel to continue supporting our wars.

[BeaverFever]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

It's not like you guys has to endure actual racism like being systematically persecuted and denied basic rights for hundreds of years.

Given that statement I'm going to assume you aren't Irish Catholic.

Wait Irish Catholics...are those the guys who ALSO formed armed militant groups to fight persecution?
Militant groups who, unlike the Black Panthers, actually targeted civilians in terrorist attacks yet, DON't seem to attract the unbridled rage of White people for some totally mysterious and non-obvious reason?

Militant groups who everyone with at least 5% Irish ancestry brags about knowing a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy who was member?

Militant groups whose anthems get sung every St. Patty's day at every local Irish pub by Irish and "Irish-for-day" alike?

Those guys?

[BeaverFever]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

It's not like you guys has to endure actual racism like being systematically persecuted and denied basic rights for hundreds of years.

You mean like the Jews?

Yeah like the Jews, Black, Indians...just about everyone on the plant except the perpetually outraged but never victimized WASP establishment.

[Jin-Gitaxias]

I'm starting to get sick of right-wing Judeophilia.

It's never "Jews are human beings and we should respect human rights."
It's always "Israel is full of racism so the Jews are on our side."

The "chosen people" narrative wasn't a big part of Christianity until AFTER the creation of modern Israel.

[Strutz]

GreenTiger GreenTiger:

Morgan Freeman has the best answer to all of this racial Horse Shit.


https://youtu.be/FRnTovm26I4

It's simple isn't it?

[Hmmmm]

Stratos, I agree with much of your post, but ....

stratos stratos:

... in favour of ending racist terms such as Afro-American, Asian-American and such other hyphenated usage. American works perfectly for every single citizen. By adding anything prior to American you are distinguishing yourself apart from the rest. This is a form of racism by promoting said race apart and or above from the rest of the citizenship

Africa and Asia are not races, they are geographically and politically defined areas of the planet. And you use the term American although the real America is actually a much bigger entity than the United States. But Afro-American for example is not a racial distinction; it indicates both current citizenship and country of origin. If you have not been an immigrant you might not understand that many of us (I am an immigrant but not from Africa and not to the US) take some usually-justifiable pride in the tenets of the culture we were raised in, and of course in the country of our choice - that's why we're here. Countries that have encouraged immigration, like the US and Canada, have benefited by integrating multiple cultures into their society. Insisting that peoples' countries of origin not be mentioned seems really foolish and pointless - unless of course the person doing so intends some nationalistic slight; but that didn't seem to be the nature of your objection. Rather that a person wouldn't be "American enough" because they "hyphenated" their self-description. I can't see any logic in that.

[BeaverFever]

stratos stratos:

$1:

It's not like you guys has to endure actual racism like being systematically persecuted and denied basic rights for hundreds of years.

Nor has anyone alive today. If you can find someone who has been systematically persecuted and denied basic rights along with actual racism for hundreds of years please point this person out.

Because if you want to claim this is suppressed rage for action done in the past. I will gladly go along with that if you allow my 2000+ years of suppressed rage for the actions of the Carthaginians against my ancestors to also be valid.

Any and all grievances leveled against my ... wait none of my ancestors as far as can be determined had slaves. Okay lets see... denied basic human rights I did not deny anyone such things nor anyone in the determination of my family's background. Admittedly we had some smugglers and poachers in our history so you may have a very weak case there at best. Racism.. well not on my part as best as I can tell, this is hard to be claimed against my ancestors for the factors all ready mentioned.


What I am very much in favor of ending racist terms such as Afro-American, Asian-American and such other hyphenated usage. American works perfectly for every single citizen. By adding anything prior to American you are distinguishing yourself apart from the rest. This is a form of racism by promoting said race apart and or above from the rest of the citizenship. I also consider stating that current members of any race are liable and accountable for actions done by pervious members of their race in the past is a form of racism.

So basically it comes down to holding people accountable for their own words and actions. Abhorrence to racism being countered by saying someone is hypocritical for their reaction is latent support of racism.

Can you please clarify exactly what year racism ended in America?

[BRAH]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

BRAH BRAH:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Blue Lives Matter

Blue Lives Matter!

Damn straight they do!

You betcha!

[PluggyRug]

Hmmmm Hmmmm:

Stratos, I agree with much of your post, but ....

stratos stratos:

... in favour of ending racist terms such as Afro-American, Asian-American and such other hyphenated usage. American works perfectly for every single citizen. By adding anything prior to American you are distinguishing yourself apart from the rest. This is a form of racism by promoting said race apart and or above from the rest of the citizenship

Africa and Asia are not races, they are geographically and politically defined areas of the planet. And you use the term American although the real America is actually a much bigger entity than the United States. But Afro-American for example is not a racial distinction; it indicates both current citizenship and country of origin. If you have not been an immigrant you might not understand that many of us (I am an immigrant but not from Africa and not to the US) take some usually-justifiable pride in the tenets of the culture we were raised in, and of course in the country of our choice - that's why we're here. Countries that have encouraged immigration, like the US and Canada, have benefited by integrating multiple cultures into their society. Insisting that peoples' countries of origin not be mentioned seems really foolish and pointless - unless of course the person doing so intends some nationalistic slight; but that didn't seem to be the nature of your objection. Rather that a person wouldn't be "American enough" because they "hyphenated" their self-description. I can't see any logic in that.

Being born in England does that mean I should call myself Anglo-Canadian?

I take pride in my English culture without having to resort to the hyphenated crap.

I also take pride in the fact that I call myself Canadian. I think your point is moot.

[N_Fiddledog]

Some might need a lot of hyphens.

Come to think of it...

And speaking about Beyonce...

[Hmmmm]

PluggyRug PluggyRug:

Being born in England does that mean I should call myself Anglo-Canadian?

I take pride in my English culture without having to resort to the hyphenated crap.

I also take pride in the fact that I call myself Canadian. I think your point is moot.

1. If you want to, why not? If you don't want to, don't.
2. I don't suggest that you "have to" "resort to" anything.
3. "Hyphenated crap" doesn't sound very moot.

Moot: Open to discussion or debate; debatable; doubtful:
a moot point.

[PluggyRug]

Hyphenated crap is what it is. Again your point is moot.

[stratos]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

stratos stratos:

$1:

It's not like you guys has to endure actual racism like being systematically persecuted and denied basic rights for hundreds of years.

Nor has anyone alive today. If you can find someone who has been systematically persecuted and denied basic rights along with actual racism for hundreds of years please point this person out.

Because if you want to claim this is suppressed rage for action done in the past. I will gladly go along with that if you allow my 2000+ years of suppressed rage for the actions of the Carthaginians against my ancestors to also be valid.

Any and all grievances leveled against my ... wait none of my ancestors as far as can be determined had slaves. Okay lets see... denied basic human rights I did not deny anyone such things nor anyone in the determination of my family's background. Admittedly we had some smugglers and poachers in our history so you may have a very weak case there at best. Racism.. well not on my part as best as I can tell, this is hard to be claimed against my ancestors for the factors all ready mentioned.


What I am very much in favor of ending racist terms such as Afro-American, Asian-American and such other hyphenated usage. American works perfectly for every single citizen. By adding anything prior to American you are distinguishing yourself apart from the rest. This is a form of racism by promoting said race apart and or above from the rest of the citizenship. I also consider stating that current members of any race are liable and accountable for actions done by pervious members of their race in the past is a form of racism.

So basically it comes down to holding people accountable for their own words and actions. Abhorrence to racism being countered by saying someone is hypocritical for their reaction is latent support of racism.

Can you please clarify exactly what year racism ended in America?

once you show me someone who has "endure actual racism like being systematically persecuted and denied basic rights for hundreds of years. " walking around the US today.

I'll also point out I've never said it died out or has stopped. What I'm saying is that there is 1) A history of white's being enslaved, discriminated against and denied human rights. That most want to ignore and or deny 2)that claiming whites are not discriminated against even today is a lie and that we have as much right to be offended as any other race 3) that a lot of this racism junk can go away here in America when we quit talking about ourselves and others under terms such as Afro-American, Asian-American and so forth and just consider all citizens as Americans.

[stratos]

Hmmmm Hmmmm:

Stratos, I agree with much of your post, but ....

stratos stratos:

... in favour of ending racist terms such as Afro-American, Asian-American and such other hyphenated usage. American works perfectly for every single citizen. By adding anything prior to American you are distinguishing yourself apart from the rest. This is a form of racism by promoting said race apart and or above from the rest of the citizenship

Africa and Asia are not races, they are geographically and politically defined areas of the planet. And you use the term American although the real America is actually a much bigger entity than the United States. But Afro-American for example is not a racial distinction; it indicates both current citizenship and country of origin. If you have not been an immigrant you might not understand that many of us (I am an immigrant but not from Africa and not to the US) take some usually-justifiable pride in the tenets of the culture we were raised in, and of course in the country of our choice - that's why we're here. Countries that have encouraged immigration, like the US and Canada, have benefited by integrating multiple cultures into their society. Insisting that peoples' countries of origin not be mentioned seems really foolish and pointless - unless of course the person doing so intends some nationalistic slight; but that didn't seem to be the nature of your objection. Rather that a person wouldn't be "American enough" because they "hyphenated" their self-description. I can't see any logic in that.

Grandson of an immigrant and great grandson of another. It's the Hyphenated term used out of context so much that it no longer connotes a duel citizenship. But defining ones self as someone separate and thus special in regards to being Just an American. Double citizenship hyphens I have no issue with.

[Jin-Gitaxias]

BRAH BRAH:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

BRAH BRAH:

Blue Lives Matter!

Damn straight they do!

You betcha!

Is this going to turn into a rule 34 thread?