[Gunnair]

Brenda Brenda:

So, no one has a problem with the fact that this is a Catholic school board, and that the Catholic students have to pray every day, but singing the Anthem is an issue at a Catholic school?

Wow.

Not following you here. They pray because that is part of going to a Catholic school - like wearing a school uniform at a private school.

Don't want to pray, don't go to a religious school.

[Brenda]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Brenda Brenda:

So, no one has a problem with the fact that this is a Catholic school board, and that the Catholic students have to pray every day, but singing the Anthem is an issue at a Catholic school?

Wow.

Not following you here. They pray because that is part of going to a Catholic school - like wearing a school uniform at a private school.

Don't want to pray, don't go to a religious school.

Which is my point. I (as an immigrant) am accused of "taking the Anthem out of the schools". Well, that may be true in the public school system, although it is bullshit. If you are so patriotic you cannot sing an other country than your home country's Anthem, maybe you should have stayed where you were born.
But I doubt a Catholic school would buy into that PC-crap. Like they don't buy into "nah, we ain't wanting to pray" or "nahhhh, my own clothes will do fine, change your catholic rules". I was under the impression that it used to be normal to sing the Anthem in Catholic school, like it is normal to pray.

So you kind of twisted my point.

[Gunnair]

Brenda Brenda:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Brenda Brenda:

So, no one has a problem with the fact that this is a Catholic school board, and that the Catholic students have to pray every day, but singing the Anthem is an issue at a Catholic school?

Wow.

Not following you here. They pray because that is part of going to a Catholic school - like wearing a school uniform at a private school.

Don't want to pray, don't go to a religious school.

Which is my point. I (as an immigrant) am accused of "taking the Anthem out of the schools". Well, that may be true in the public school system, although it is bullshit. If you are so patriotic you cannot sing an other country than your home country's Anthem, maybe you should have stayed where you were born.
But I doubt a Catholic school would buy into that PC-crap. Like they don't buy into "nah, we ain't wanting to pray" or "nahhhh, my own clothes will do fine, change your catholic rules". I was under the impression that it used to be normal to sing the Anthem in Catholic school, like it is normal to pray.

So you kind of twisted my point.

[CDN_PATRIOT]

[quote="Brenda"] I was under the impression that it used to be normal to sing the Anthem in Catholic school, like it is normal"]

As someone who had attended Catholic school fully (elementary and secondary), I remember singing 'O Canada' when the P.A. system was broken, or on Remembrance Day. We were encouraged to sing along with it at the time. The problem was, with only listening to it, some students played little attention to it, often whispering or looking around, etc.

I think it's a good idea to make it mandatory. It requires the students to actually pay attention to it and sing it, and gives the teacher a clearer view of who is being disruptive during the anthem. It's not like it's some boring speech in a school assembly. This is our national anthem we're talking about. In a country such as ours with all it's freedoms and liberties, the least we can do to honour it is sing O Canada in our schools very morning.

-J.

[Brenda]

Ok, Gunny, short and simple. If you have no problem praying every day, you shouldn't have a problem singing the Anthem every day.

[Gunnair]

Brenda Brenda:

Ok, Gunny, short and simple. If you have no problem praying every day, you shouldn't have a problem singing the Anthem every day.

Not sure why you would conclude that. Praying is a requirement of being in a Catholic school. Singing the anthem is not a requirement of being Canadian.

[Brenda]

CDN_PATRIOT CDN_PATRIOT:

Brenda Brenda:

I was under the impression that it used to be normal to sing the Anthem in Catholic school, like it is normal to pray everyday

As someone who had attended Catholic school fully (elementary and secondary), I remember singing 'O Canada' when the P.A. system was broken, or on Remembrance Day. We were encouraged to sing along with it at the time. The problem was, with only listening to it, some students played little attention to it, often whispering or looking around, etc.

I think it's a good idea to make it mandatory. It requires the students to actually pay attention to it and sing it, and gives the teacher a clearer view of who is being disruptive during the anthem. It's not like it's some boring speech in a school assembly. This is our national anthem we're talking about. In a country such as ours with all it's freedoms and liberties, the least we can do to honour it is sing O Canada in our schools very morning.

-J.

My kids go to a public school and when the Anthem at Assemblies is played, they sing. It is not played every day.

I'm trying to say that when your morals, as a Catholic school, require a uniform and prayer every day, there should be no problem with singing the Anthem.

[Brenda]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Brenda Brenda:

Ok, Gunny, short and simple. If you have no problem praying every day, you shouldn't have a problem singing the Anthem every day.

Not sure why you would conclude that. Praying is a requirement of being in a Catholic school. Singing the anthem is not a requirement of being Canadian.

Really?
The patriotic Canadians surely make it sound differently.

"Those bastard immigrants want to take the Anthem out of our schools!! Kick them back where ever the fuck they came from if they are not willing to sing the Anthem!"

Just sayin'.

[fifeboy]

Brenda Brenda:

They MUST pray too, right? It's the Catholic school board.

Not really. My grand daughter attends Catholic School. They pray but it isn't mandatory . I know of Lutherens and Hindus at the school.
I was listening to As it Happens on CBC this evening. The director of the school board said no one would be forced.

[fifeboy]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Tricks Tricks:

Why force it?

So people start remembering what fucking country they live in!

Personally, I'm getting sick of schools and school boards dumping the anthem because some fucking immigrant doesn't think their precious little bastard should have to endure hearing the anthem of the country they CHOSE to live in.

It's about damn time people started showing a little more pride in Canada and in being Canadian. If singing the anthem before class each day is too much to ask of one's kid(s), well then maybe Canada has done all it can for them and it's time for them to move on, whether they were born here or not.

It's the National Anthem for cryin' out loud. It's not like we're forcing kids to join scouts as a primer for mandatory military service where we all genuflect before a portrait of "Fearless Leader" every morning and evening whilst chanting "Harper Harper! Uber Alles!".

Canada may not be "the perfect" place to live, but compared to everywhere else, it's still a great place to live. And I think Canadians overall need to start remembering that.

/end rant

THANK YOU FOR THAT. Well said.

[fifeboy]

Actually, what the director of education said was: they all ready do it, what's changed is it will be sung without musical accompyment. That way they have to know the words.

[PluggyRug]

fifeboy fifeboy:

That way they have to know the words.

Good point.

The meaning of the words should also be stressed.

[Tricks]

Gunnair Gunnair:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Tricks Tricks:

Why force it?

So people start remembering what fucking country they live in!

Personally, I'm getting sick of schools and school boards dumping the anthem because some fucking immigrant doesn't think their precious little bastard should have to endure hearing the anthem of the country they CHOSE to live in.

It's about damn time people started showing a little more pride in Canada and in being Canadian. If singing the anthem before class each day is too much to ask of one's kid(s), well then maybe Canada has done all it can for them and it's time for them to move on, whether they were born here or not.

It's the National Anthem for cryin' out loud. It's not like we're forcing kids to join scouts as a primer for mandatory military service where we all genuflect before a portrait of "Fearless Leader" every morning and evening whilst chanting "Harper Harper! Uber Alles!".

Canada may not be "the perfect" place to live, but compared to everywhere else, it's still a great place to live. And I think Canadians overall need to start remembering that.

/end rant

Love the rant but disagree. Fact is people have the freedom to participate or not - it's one of those things everyone harps about when they talk about the Vets and World Wars and stuff.

Frankly, if some emo skateboard punk or ginger gansta showin' off his ass crack and freckles, or some Somalian with a chip on his shoulder or another I hate Canada separatist pausing from the latest social temper tantrum doesn't want to sing O Canada, then fuck' em. Be quiet and shut the fuck up.

I honestly don't want our national anthem sullied by the likes of them anyway.

I agree. You can't force patriotism. Forcing someone to participate reeks of forcing someone to toe a line. It just feels wrong.

[PimpBrewski123]

Tricks Tricks:

I agree. You can't force patriotism.

Sure, but perhaps if it was done out of respect

[Thanos]

CDN_PATRIOT CDN_PATRIOT:

We were encouraged to sing along with it at the time.

No problem there at all. Forcing it is a different issue though, because forced or mandatory patriotism is bogus patriotism, which makes it empty and essentially meaningless. We can still love our country without being forced to yell it out 24/7/365. Waving a flag harder than the next guy doesn't make a better citizen.