[Akhenaten]

Brenda Brenda:

segno segno:

You know, I hate to admit it, but I think I was wrong.

I've just found out that both the H1N1 and seasonal influenza vaccines have had Dihydrogen Monoxide added as a component. This to me, is unacceptable, and until they come up with a DHMO-free vaccine, I will not be getting the shot.

In case you didn't know, DHMO is a colorless and odorless chemical compound. Its basis is the highly reactive hydroxyl radical.

DHMO can be a very dangerous chemical, and there have been no studies to prove its safety when used in vaccinations. Just look at all of the risks associated with DHMO:
- Death due to accidental inhalation of DHMO, even in small quantities.
- Prolonged exposure to solid DHMO causes severe tissue damage.
- Found in biopsies of pre-cancerous tumors and lesions.

I recommend everyone who cares about their health and the health of their loved ones to contact the government and demand that DHMO be removed from all influenza vaccines!

For more information, see: http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html

Just out of curiosity, and please do not take offense, but are you serious?

He's trying to pull a fast one on you (us) Brenda. He's hoping somoene will take the bait so he can laugh at them and call them dumb.

IT backfired and now he's trying to save face. Funny thing is the fact he thinks people are that stupid illustrates how dumb he's being.

[Proculation]

[Brenda]

Akhenaten Akhenaten:

Brenda Brenda:

segno segno:

You know, I hate to admit it, but I think I was wrong.

I've just found out that both the H1N1 and seasonal influenza vaccines have had Dihydrogen Monoxide added as a component. This to me, is unacceptable, and until they come up with a DHMO-free vaccine, I will not be getting the shot.

In case you didn't know, DHMO is a colorless and odorless chemical compound. Its basis is the highly reactive hydroxyl radical.

DHMO can be a very dangerous chemical, and there have been no studies to prove its safety when used in vaccinations. Just look at all of the risks associated with DHMO:
- Death due to accidental inhalation of DHMO, even in small quantities.
- Prolonged exposure to solid DHMO causes severe tissue damage.
- Found in biopsies of pre-cancerous tumors and lesions.

I recommend everyone who cares about their health and the health of their loved ones to contact the government and demand that DHMO be removed from all influenza vaccines!

For more information, see: http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html

Just out of curiosity, and please do not take offense, but are you serious?

He's trying to pull a fast one on you (us) Brenda. He's hoping somoene will take the bait so he can laugh at them and call them dumb.

IT backfired and now he's trying to save face. Funny thing is the fact he thinks people are that stupid illustrates how dumb he's being.

I just figured it out
Urbanlegend is a great site

[Akhenaten]

Yeah this prank is popular among 20-something, 2nd year university students who now think they know everything, nobody else was ever as 'smart' as they are, and nobody else out there has completed more school than they have.

A couple of years in uni and they figure they're going to change the world.

[segno]

Brenda Brenda:

Brenda Brenda:

segno segno:

You know, I hate to admit it, but I think I was wrong.

I've just found out that both the H1N1 and seasonal influenza vaccines have had Dihydrogen Monoxide added as a component. This to me, is unacceptable, and until they come up with a DHMO-free vaccine, I will not be getting the shot.

In case you didn't know, DHMO is a colorless and odorless chemical compound. Its basis is the highly reactive hydroxyl radical.

DHMO can be a very dangerous chemical, and there have been no studies to prove its safety when used in vaccinations. Just look at all of the risks associated with DHMO:
- Death due to accidental inhalation of DHMO, even in small quantities.
- Prolonged exposure to solid DHMO causes severe tissue damage.
- Found in biopsies of pre-cancerous tumors and lesions.

I recommend everyone who cares about their health and the health of their loved ones to contact the government and demand that DHMO be removed from all influenza vaccines!

For more information, see: http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html

Just out of curiosity, and please do not take offense, but are you serious?

I just figured it out
Urbanlegend is a great site

I'd also recommend snopes.com

If you should ever catch the TV Series Bullsh*t (Staring Penn&Teller), they actually circulated a petition to ban Dihyromonoxide at an environmental protest, and got dozens of people to sign it.

Sorry, just being playful today.

[Brenda]

You call that playful huh...

[Proculation]

$1:

Back in 1997, Nathan Zohner, a 14-year-old student at Eagle Rock Junior High School in Idaho Falls, based his science fair project on a report similar to the one reproduced in the "Example" box above. Zohner's project, titled "How Gullible Are We?", involved presenting this report about "the dangers of dihyrogen monoxide" to fifty ninth-grade students and asking them what (if anything) should be done about the chemical. Forty-three students favored banning it, six were undecided, and only one correctly recognized that 'dihydrogen monoxide' is actually H20 - plain old water. Zohner's analysis of the results he obtained won him first prize in the Greater Idaho Falls Science Fair; garnered him scads of attention from newspapers, magazines, radio and TV stations, universities, and congresspeople; and prompted the usual round of outcries about how our ignorant citizenry doesn't read critically and can be easily misled.

Like here !

[segno]

Proculation Proculation:

$1:

Back in 1997, Nathan Zohner, a 14-year-old student at Eagle Rock Junior High School in Idaho Falls, based his science fair project on a report similar to the one reproduced in the "Example" box above....Zohner's analysis of the results he obtained won him first prize in the Greater Idaho Falls Science Fair; garnered him scads of attention from newspapers, magazines, radio and TV stations, universities, and congresspeople; and prompted the usual round of outcries about how our ignorant citizenry doesn't read critically and can be easily misled.

Like here !

Well, to be fair, Brenda may have not 'gotten it' to begin with, but she at least did a little research and came away with the correct conclusion.

I got inspired to post my little DHMO comment after seeing yet another post that was some long bizarre conspiracy rant that should have been recognized for its, shall we say, shortcomings.

And a little off-topic: My favorite story of gullibility was when the Texas legislature passed a motion in praise of Albert de Salvo, for his work in helping "The weak and lonely maintain a new degree of concern about their future". http://www.snopes.com/legal/desalvo.asp

[Akhenaten]

Proculation Proculation:

$1:

Back in 1997, Nathan Zohner, a 14-year-old student at Eagle Rock Junior High School in Idaho Falls, based his science fair project on a report similar to the one reproduced in the "Example" box above. Zohner's project, titled "How Gullible Are We?", involved presenting this report about "the dangers of dihyrogen monoxide" to fifty ninth-grade students and asking them what (if anything) should be done about the chemical. Forty-three students favored banning it, six were undecided, and only one correctly recognized that 'dihydrogen monoxide' is actually H20 - plain old water. Zohner's analysis of the results he obtained won him first prize in the Greater Idaho Falls Science Fair; garnered him scads of attention from newspapers, magazines, radio and TV stations, universities, and congresspeople; and prompted the usual round of outcries about how our ignorant citizenry doesn't read critically and can be easily misled.

Like here !

It's strange you would say that since by the experiment we just had nobody did fall for it.

[DrCaleb]

raydan raydan:

Brenda Brenda:

Hyack, go edit your post now, and see what shows up...

*edit*
Never mind, I edited my post on top of the page. Look what shows up!
"last edited by Brenda yadda yadda yadda"

More info:
This message will not appear if you edit before anybody posts after you.

That was the bit I was missing. I thought the 'notice' posted no matter what. Good to know there is a loophole.

Hyack Hyack:

The only time you see that is when a mod does an edit and shows that the post has been edited, always done in blue. If someone edits their own post nothing shows to the general public, but the mods have certain mysterious ways to ascertain if a post has been edited.....so.......

It's OK, I've had most of my shots now. I don't have to look out for them with fear in my eyes like before.

[Proculation]

segno segno:

Proculation Proculation:

$1:

Back in 1997, Nathan Zohner, a 14-year-old student at Eagle Rock Junior High School in Idaho Falls, based his science fair project on a report similar to the one reproduced in the "Example" box above....Zohner's analysis of the results he obtained won him first prize in the Greater Idaho Falls Science Fair; garnered him scads of attention from newspapers, magazines, radio and TV stations, universities, and congresspeople; and prompted the usual round of outcries about how our ignorant citizenry doesn't read critically and can be easily misled.

Like here !

Well, to be fair, Brenda may have not 'gotten it' to begin with, but she at least did a little research and came away with the correct conclusion.

I got inspired to post my little DHMO comment after seeing yet another post that was some long bizarre conspiracy rant that should have been recognized for its, shall we say, shortcomings.

And a little off-topic: My favorite story of gullibility was when the Texas legislature passed a motion in praise of Albert de Salvo, for his work in helping "The weak and lonely maintain a new degree of concern about their future". http://www.snopes.com/legal/desalvo.asp

But they saw it on the Internet, the conspiracy must be true

[Regina]

Alta_redneck Alta_redneck:

My old lady got a pig flu shot a couple days ago, I just woke up on the couch downstairs wondering what happen to supper. I went upstairs and there she was, out in the flower bed rooting around in the dirt.

[Regina]

Akhenaten Akhenaten:

Yeah this prank is popular among 20-something, 2nd year university students who now think they know everything, nobody else was ever as 'smart' as they are, and nobody else out there has completed more school than they have.

A couple of years in uni and they figure they're going to change the world.

Down the street there was a house that had a small sign on the screen door that said: "Hire a teenager while they still know it all"
The kids there must have grown up and got dumber because it's gone now.

[Regina]

Why H1N1 isn't just the seasonal flu


It is clear now that the vast majority of people who catch the H1N1 flu will suffer relatively mild illness and recover quickly.

For that small subset of otherwise healthy individuals who become desperately sick or even die, however, the blame may lie in a seemingly distinctive trait of the H1N1 virus - an ability to bind itself to tissue deep within the lungs, causing dangerous viral pneumonia, some scientists believe.

Dr. Anand Kumar says the bug's reported biological attributes - different from those of the seasonal flu - would help explain what he has seen among dozens of critically ill H1N1 patients in the intensive-care unit of his Winnipeg hospital.

"It is a very different virus," he said. "It does attach to the deep lung tissue in people. When it does, it creates a very bad viral pneumonia, one of the worst we've ever seen. ... This is the sickest bunch of people I've seen, as a group."

Other experts speculate that deaths are occurring when the body essentially turns on itself with an extreme immune response to the virus, a phenomenon sometimes called a "cytokine storm," and often seen with seasonal flu, too. Ironically, robust young people with strong immune systems may be more susceptible to such a reaction, scientists theorize.

"In essence, they die because their own body, in its attempt to fight off the influenza virus, actually kills them," said Dr. Gerald Evans, the Kingston ,Ont.,-based president of the Association of Medical Microbiology and Infectious Disease.

"The problem is we have absolutely no way to predict who is going to have an over-exhuberant response and die of a cytokine storm and who is going to handle the virus in a nice, normal fashion."

But, the death of a seemingly healthy 13-year-old Toronto boy this week has underlined questions about how the new pathogen can prove so lethal for a tiny minority of patients, and fairly run of the mill for others. Dr. Evans cautions that that tragic case and the demise a few days earlier of a 10-year-old Ottawa girl should not overly alarm people.

"Every year, young, healthy people do die of influenza, but they never get on the front page."

Many questions remain, though, about the characteristics of H1N1 and why an unlucky few are felled by it.

Experts agree on a few of its attributes - it is particularly contagious, a disproportionate number of young people are becoming infected by it and a small number of those young patients are getting seriously ill. A recent study of cases that ended up in Canadian ICUs found that the average age was 32. The seasonal flu seriously affects mainly the very elderly and very young.

Dr. Michel Laverdière, an infectious disease specialist at Montreal's Hôpital Maisonneuve-Rosemont, argues that the deaths this week of 13-year-old Evan Frustaglio and the Ottawa girl would rarely be seen in seasonal flu outbreaks.

The differences are likely a result of the fact that this is a novel flu: the first time, in fact, that the genetics of swine, bird and human influenzas have combined in one bug, he said. People over 65 seem less affected, perhaps because they were exposed to a similar virus in the 1940s or 50s and developed some immunity. The rest of the population has none.

A British study published last month suggests H1N1 acts differently in other ways, too. Based on unique laboratory tests, the research at Imperial College London found the new strain bound strongly to cell "receptors" found in the upper respiratory tract - the nose, throat and upper airway - and more weakly to receptors deep inside the respiratory tract. Seasonal viruses, on the other hand, stuck only to the upper-tract receptors.

"We believe this is a clue to the more serious illness in some people," Prof. Ten Feizi, who led the study, said in an interview.

Dr. Kumar said seasonal pneumonia tends to kill elderly or very young patients by exacerbating existing medical conditions, like the respiratory illness COPD, or causing secondary, bacterial pneumonias. He said more than 80% of deaths from H1N1 in contrast are caused by viral pneumonia.

Dr. Evans is less convinced by the importance of the British research, though, saying that he believes most serious cases are related to the exaggerated inflammatory response. He also notes the majority of people who have died from H1N1 worldwide had some kind of underlying health problem, though the ICU study showed that many of the problems were relatively minor, such as mild hypertension.

Meanwhile, what about the fact that pregnant women are so disproportionately affected by the virus?

That phenomenon likely stems from the fact that expectant mothers' immune systems are essentially at a reduced level, an automatic response of the body to prevent women from rejecting a fetus whose genetic makeup derives partly from someone else, said Dr. Laverdière



http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=2156348