[Proculation]

Don't try poquas... facts and logic are not welcomed here.

I have stopped to argue. Since you are in the healthcare system, people here will think you are in the big pharma conspiracy to infect everyone and dominate the world !!

[Hyack]

Regina Regina:

If anyone feels a post has been edited, just let me know which one and I can repost the original or confirm that it has been modified.

Add me to that,too many people edit their posts when called out on them, them deny having ever made the statement in the first place.

[DrCaleb]

Akhenaten Akhenaten:

Ok good info but admittedly a lot of school absences doesn't equate to a lot of people who actually have H1N1 right?

Where was that story where 100's of people were going to the emergancy room with sniffles and a headache but only a couple actually had H1N1?

I don't believe in 'coincidence is causation'. I'd say the absenteeism could be preventative; kids stay home because a parent or sibling has the flu. As Alberta's chief surgeon said, Flu Season is from Late November till Spring. If someone has flu symptoms at this time of the year, it is most likely the H1N1 Swine Flu. It's pretty mild for most people, but can knock you on your ass too. And as we see, it can kill healthy people too.

If some people panic, it's human nature. Better safe than sorry in many people's minds.

Brenda Brenda:

That is not the same as the letter the schooldistrict here sent out (that I offered to type over). The only similar thing is the 10% absentee rate that has to be reported.

Most every day we are presented with the absentee rates for schools in the Edmonton Area. Over 10% absent is reported. Most schools are reporting that, some as high as 30%. I'm not inferring anything by that; just relaying what I know. I don't know what your school district sent out, but around here they are saying keep kids with symptoms home; and don't keep healthy kids home as they still need an education.

[DrCaleb]

Hyack Hyack:

Regina Regina:

If anyone feels a post has been edited, just let me know which one and I can repost the original or confirm that it has been modified.

Add me to that,too many people edit their posts when called out on them, them deny having ever made the statement in the first place.

Don't edited posts show with the 'Edited by XXX on YYY' ?

[PublicAnimalNo9]

April 2009, from the LA TIMES

"Los Angeles, CA— Skyrocketing stock values of Novavax, Inc., precipitated by dozens of flu deaths in Mexico, implicates a leading Anglo-American network of genetic engineers in a conspiracy to commit genocide, according to a Harvard trained expert in emerging diseases, Dr. Leonard Horowitz.

Dr. James S. Robertson, England’s leading bio engineer of flu viruses for the vaccine industry, and avid promoter of U.S. Government funding for lucrative “bio defense” contracts, along with collaborators at the US Centers for Disease Control & Prevention (CDC), helped Novavax, Inc., in Bethesda, Maryland, produce genetically-modified recombinants of the avian, swine, and Spanish flu viruses, H5N1 and H1N1, nearly identical to the unprecedented Mexican virus that has now spread to the United States. The outbreak was precisely timed to promote the company’s new research and huge vaccine stockpiling contracts, according to Dr. Horowitz.

Scientists at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control (CDC) are implicated through collaborations and publications involving private contracts with Novavax, a company that obtains its “biosimulars” through CDC Influenza
Branch director, Ruben O. Donis, and Dr. Rick Bright, previously working with Donis at the CDC, now Novavax’s Vice President of Global Influenza Programs.

Evidence for the conspiracy to commit deadly duplicity in the vaccine industry includes the genetic markers on the novel flu virus now spreading from Mexico to America. The virus is “genetically different from the fully human H1N1 seasonal influenza virus that has been circulating globally for the past few years,” according to Reuters and government officials. “The new flu virus contains DNA typical to avian, swine and human viruses, including elements from European and Asian swine viruses.”

“That is a description that is pathognomonic, or diagnostic, of a virus that came from Robertson’s circle of friends,” Dr. Horowitz claims. “No other group in the world takes H5N1 Asian flu infected chickens, brings them to Europe, extracts their DNA, combines their proteins with H1N1 viruses from the 1918 Spanish flu isolate, additionally mixes in swine flu genes from pigs, then ‘reverse engineers’ them to infect humans. The end product that Reuter’s describes could only end up in Mexico via the United States from Britain in care of the CDC. Ruben Donis at the CDC had to have sent them to Novavax, where Rick Bright’s team is now implicated in a conspiracy to commit genocide—the mass killing of people for profit.”

Swine -Avian The new flu virus contains DNA typical to avian, swine and human viruses, including elements from European and Asian swine viruses.”
Novavax’s preliminary report in the Journal of Virology, with co-authors from the CDC in Atlanta, was posted online at the precise time Mexican officials began reporting deaths from this new strain of flu that is clearly an unprecedented recombinant of at least three H5N1 and H1N1 strains. Novavax’s Johnny-on-the-spot vaccine was prepared under the CDC’s “fast track” approval process speciously using these three strains never known to infect any human in Mexico.

Therefore, the statistical probability this virus came from this company of “experts” is extremely high. Alternatively, anticipated arguments the virus arrived in Mexico by serendipity, at this precise time in Novavax’s history, is ridiculously remote.

“These doctor’s conflicting corporate, scientific, and financial interests evidence criminal malfeasance,” said Dr. Leonard Horowitz, an internationally known humanitarian, award winning consumer health activist, and author of sixteen books including, Emerging Viruses: AIDS & Ebola—Nature, Accident or Intentional? (1998, Tetrahedron. org; 1-888-508-4787), His book, and associated scientific publications, have been cited by numerous authorities as providing compelling evidence the AIDS virus came from a lab.

“The most chilling evidence against the Robertson-Novavax (RN) vaccine pipeline, besides Robertson being the “gatekeeper” for multi-billion dollar vaccine stockpiling deals, is Robertson’s influence over the European Medicines Agency (EMEA)—a quasi-corporate quasi-scientific think tank serving the European [Economic] Union and drug industry’s special interests,” Dr. Horowitz said.

Dr. Robertson is the Principal Scientist in the Division of Virology at the National Institute for Biological Standards and Control (NIBSC), akin to the USFDA in the UK. During a meeting in April, 2006, discussing the standardization of influenza vaccines on behalf of the World Health Organization (WHO), it was disclosed, “the NIBSC is involved in the serological testing of vaccine trials; the preparation and distribution of influenza viruses to vaccine manufacturers; and the coordination of EU strain selection[s].”

Participants disclosed the EMEA persuades vaccine makers to bank on pandemics, and “invest in pandemic vaccines with the introduction of mock up files,” which is their unassuming way of describing new laboratory engineered influenza viruses also referred to as “biosimilars.”

The EMEA waves regulatory fees as an additional incentive to attract more business for allegedly “biodefense.”

Dr. Robertson, the holder of intellectual property (IP) rights to the genetic technology used to produce the H5N1 and H1N1 “mock up files” used to develop Novavax’s vaccine, waived his ownership of the technology during the company’s research phase with a guaranteed payoff “when the vaccine is commercialized.” Robertson’s “Material Trade Agreement” (MTA), covering the transfer of these “biosimilars” to Novavax, is expected to return millions of dollars when the vaccine is sold to governments worldwide.

Novavax’s commercialization and promotions of their vaccine is largely based on media hype fanning fears and markets for their avian flu, Spanish flu, and swine flu concoctions. Never before this outbreak has such a virus, combining the three most feared flu strains, been identified.

Mexico’s killer, therefore, evidences a laboratory creation sourcing from either Novavax’s lab directly, or their partners at the CDC and NIBSC who maintain multi-million-dollar incentives. The company’s synchronously timed professional publications, mass media releases, product representations and commercialization, evidence financial motives to commit duplicity and mass murder.

Days ago, officials at the CDC expressed serious concerns about this novel flu strain causing a deadly pandemic, not disclosing their obvious knowledge that the outbreak must have sourced from the materials used in their cooperative studies with Novavax.

“These doctors’ conflicting corporate, scientific, and financial interests evidence criminal malfeasance. Killing dozens of people for publicity and duplicity in public health; to increase marketability of their new vaccine, is best described as serial homicide to advance genocide—the mass killing of people for profit,” Dr. Leonard Horowitz explained.
The most chilling evidence against Dr. Robertson’s EU research team, besides him being the gatekeeper and chief promoter for multi-billion dollar flu vaccine stockpiling deals, and besides his collaborators being caught red handed here by hard science and common sense, is his stated position that he believes it is wise to “prime” populations worldwide by releasing viruses he and his colleagues are creating. This warning comes from a April 27, 2006, scientific discourse in which Dr. Robertson, and members of his WHO working group, recommended his “biosimilars” be “used to prime the population in advance of the pandemic reaching the UK.”

In other words, the doctors that hold infectious disease responsibility for the world have already decided to loose their viruses on unwitting populations in advance of threatened outbreaks."

So much for claims there's no monkey business at the business end of the health industry.
And strangely enough, when I went to search the CDC transcripts for this, they had been removed.

Oct.24 2009: CBS has investigated reports that many cases that the government is reporting of people who have swine flu -are not accurate.

CBS News investigative journalist Barbara Loe Fisher has uncovered a massive campaign to distort the truth by the US government who are mis-informing the public.

There is no epidemic of swine flu in fact as Barbara points out -other countries are downplaying this swine flu madness although the major networks who get millions in advertising dollars such as NBC are reporting inflated figures of swine flu cases.

The Swine Flu is not the epidemic that most of the media is reporting every hour on every Television station both local and national news which is what we have been reporting all along. The deaths that have been reported are also not accurate as the CDC reports 87 children have died of swine flu -the numbers are not accurate.

This false information has caused a panic amongst the population of the world but more specifically has frightened people into taking a dangerous vaccine. This misrepresentation is not in the interest of public health but rather they are fear tactics that are designed to vaccinate the whole population.

The Canadian Health authorities have held off on their assumption that the Swine Flu Vaccine is safe and are not rolling out a “Panic Pandemic Policy” as the United States has done in the past months.

This means CBS is the first and only network that is reporting the truth and if you are tuned into NBC and CNN who are blasting the fear of distorted numbers of deaths, sickness, dying, and hospitalized figures they are not reporting the truth. ABC news has also been reporting figures from the CDC who are inflating the fear and misrepresenting or not reporting the facts. The CDC has long been a fear mongering agency along with the FDA who quickly approved the Swine Vaccine without safety testing.

The Swine N1H1 Vaccine is not tested for:

a) side effects
b) causing cancer
c) causing allergies
d) causing the swine flu itself
e) causing permanent damage to the human immune system
f) causing long term auto-immune problems
g) causing the human body to be weaker against other diseases
h) causing neurlogical damages as in 1976
i) causing harm to pregnant mother’s fetuses.

With all these unknown facts and the lack of safety studies that were side-stepped both by the drug maker and the CDC, FDA and other government agencies the Vaccine represents a total failure and nightmare for people.

This whole N1H1 Swine Flu Vaccine fiasco illustrates the conflict of interest that the government has undertaken with their partners the drug company’s and shows how untrustworthy these agencies really are today. It shows that the mistrust in these agencies is growing faster than the swine flu bug and how falsely they have accepted the drug makers assurances that this vaccine even works.

For instance if the Swine Flu virus changes in any way- this vaccine is totally thrown out the window and they will make more vaccines. Soon you will see vaccines for every aspect of your life. This is what drug company’s plan to do and are rolling out even more vaccines because they are a billion dollar profit maker for the pharmaceuticals.

This story is far from over although there is no pandemic, there is no wild spreading of this flu bug and the information you hear on CNN and NBC are highly unreliable and distorted for the purpose of making viewers so afraid they are rushing to be vaccinated which will cause personal health problems permanently damaging their immune system.

See the bold type? So much for claims there's no money in flu vaccines.

[Brenda]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Hyack Hyack:

Regina Regina:

If anyone feels a post has been edited, just let me know which one and I can repost the original or confirm that it has been modified.

Add me to that,too many people edit their posts when called out on them, them deny having ever made the statement in the first place.

Don't edited posts show with the 'Edited by XXX on YYY' ?

Only if someone posted after them.

*edit* This is what shows up (look down)

[raydan]

poquas poquas:

raydan raydan:

All those that disagree with me are idiots.

I don't like when you take a PART of my post out of content.
I have NEVER said that anyone who wants to get vaccinated is an idiot.
This is my full post:

raydan raydan:

Brenda Brenda:

$1:

because critical thinkers all tend to think the vaccine is a good idea.

So a critical thinker is only a good thinker when he agrees with you?

Gotta love the attitude...

All those that disagree with me are idiots.

If it wasn't clear, I was talking about Segno's attitude.
The last sentence was me immitating Segno.
Sorry if I didn't get the accent right.

[segno]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

April 2009, from the LA TIMES

"Los Angeles, CA— Skyrocketing stock values of Novavax, Inc., precipitated by dozens of flu deaths in Mexico, implicates a leading Anglo-American network of genetic engineers in a conspiracy to commit genocide, according to a Harvard trained expert in emerging diseases, Dr. Leonard Horowitz.

(Rest of conspiracy nonsense deleted)

First of all, why exactly do you quote an entire article? Things like that are covered by copyright, and although 'fair use' doctrine allows you to quote passages, reproducing an entire work (or large parts of it) could, in theory, leave the owners of this web site in legal trouble.

Secondly, Why exactly is there no link to the orginal article? I've done a quick search to see this on the LA Times web site, and I did not find any indication that it ever appeared there. I have, however, found this very text cut and pasted at various conspiracy web sites around the web. Looks like someone lied about where it originally appeared.

Oh, and by the way, from what I've been able to gather, Dr. Leonard Horowitz was not a 'harvard trained expert in emerging diseases'. It appears that Dr. Horowitz is actually a former dentist. Remember when I made fun of you for depending on "experts" who were quacks?

Here's a link to his web site: http://www.drlenhorowitz.com/ Notice that he's got D.M.D., M.A., M.P.H., D.N.M, D.M.M. after his name, but not one M.D., and not one Phd.

[Hyack]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Hyack Hyack:

Regina Regina:

If anyone feels a post has been edited, just let me know which one and I can repost the original or confirm that it has been modified.

Add me to that,too many people edit their posts when called out on them, them deny having ever made the statement in the first place.

Don't edited posts show with the 'Edited by XXX on YYY' ?

The only time you see that is when a mod does an edit and shows that the post has been edited, always done in blue. If someone edits their own post nothing shows to the general public, but the mods have certain mysterious ways to ascertain if a post has been edited.....so.......

[Brenda]

Hyack, I realize that you're the hardest working mod here, but could you please go edit your post now, and see what shows up...I really hate to waste your time, but, pretty please

*edit*
Never mind, I edited my post on top of the page. Look what shows up!
"last edited by Brenda yadda yadda yadda"

Damn, I thought that was ours only.....

[segno]

You know, I hate to admit it, but I think I was wrong.

I've just found out that both the H1N1 and seasonal influenza vaccines have had Dihydrogen Monoxide added as a component. This to me, is unacceptable, and until they come up with a DHMO-free vaccine, I will not be getting the shot.

In case you didn't know, DHMO is a colorless and odorless chemical compound. Its basis is the highly reactive hydroxyl radical.

DHMO can be a very dangerous chemical, and there have been no studies to prove its safety when used in vaccinations. Just look at all of the risks associated with DHMO:
- Death due to accidental inhalation of DHMO, even in small quantities.
- Prolonged exposure to solid DHMO causes severe tissue damage.
- Found in biopsies of pre-cancerous tumors and lesions.

I recommend everyone who cares about their health and the health of their loved ones to contact the government and demand that DHMO be removed from all influenza vaccines!

For more information, see: http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html

[raydan]

Brenda Brenda:

Hyack, go edit your post now, and see what shows up...

*edit*
Never mind, I edited my post on top of the page. Look what shows up!
"last edited by Brenda yadda yadda yadda"

More info:
This message will not appear if you edit before anybody posts after you.

[Brenda]

segno segno:

You know, I hate to admit it, but I think I was wrong.

I've just found out that both the H1N1 and seasonal influenza vaccines have had Dihydrogen Monoxide added as a component. This to me, is unacceptable, and until they come up with a DHMO-free vaccine, I will not be getting the shot.

In case you didn't know, DHMO is a colorless and odorless chemical compound. Its basis is the highly reactive hydroxyl radical.

DHMO can be a very dangerous chemical, and there have been no studies to prove its safety when used in vaccinations. Just look at all of the risks associated with DHMO:
- Death due to accidental inhalation of DHMO, even in small quantities.
- Prolonged exposure to solid DHMO causes severe tissue damage.
- Found in biopsies of pre-cancerous tumors and lesions.

I recommend everyone who cares about their health and the health of their loved ones to contact the government and demand that DHMO be removed from all influenza vaccines!

For more information, see: http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html

Just out of curiosity, and please do not take offense, but are you serious?

[segno]

Brenda Brenda:

segno segno:

You know, I hate to admit it, but I think I was wrong.

I've just found out that both the H1N1 and seasonal influenza vaccines have had Dihydrogen Monoxide added as a component. This to me, is unacceptable, and until they come up with a DHMO-free vaccine, I will not be getting the shot.

For more information, see: http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html

Just out of curiosity, and please do not take offense

No offense taken. After all the insults I've given, I probably deserve a little offensiveness...

$1:

...but are you serious?

Of course. Didn't you see the website? DHMO can kill, and doctors are injecting it right into our veins.

[Alta_redneck]

My old lady got a pig flu shot a couple days ago, I just woke up on the couch downstairs wondering what happen to supper. I went upstairs and there she was, out in the flower bed rooting around in the dirt.