[rickc]

Thanos Thanos:

Anyone who pays their fees for the right to graze has no problem at all. Y'know like hundreds of thousands of other American ranching and farming families do every year without kicking up a fuss like a four-year old throwing a tantrum at the shopping mall? The only ones who have a problem with it are the professional corporate welfare moochers and Sovereign Citizen insurrectionists who have no respect for the law and absolutely no respect for anyone else in society either. But expect Randroids and Paultards to respect other people? Yeah, right. What are you, some kind of a fucking communist or something?

Meanwhile, I've attached a photo of myself wearing a cowboy hat to this year's tax return. Hopefully this will intimidate CRA into submission so that I won't have to pay anything.

I have to take issue with your first sentence. Plenty of people who paid their fees, ended up having major problems. 52 ranchers (and former neighbors of Mr. Bundy) had their livelihood taken away from them by the same agency that now has Mr. Bundy in their sights. This all started in 1993 when the BLM dictated that the herd count was to be reduced to 150. Some reports state that Mr. Bundy had several thousand head of cattle at the time. He should just give up his livelihood and way of life because some government bureaucracy sais so? 52 ranchers were put out of business in that part of Nevada thanks to the actions of the BLM. Mr. Bundy is the last man standing, and he is the bad guy? Who is better off by these 52 ranchers being put out of business? How many jobs were lost with the closure of these ranches? How many tax dollars have been lost by the loss of these ranches, and jobs?

Someone said that this should have been handled back in 1993. I agree. That's when all those ranchers should have told the BLM to go pound sand. But it was 1993 after all. That was kind of a bad year for people who opposed the U.S. government with all those women and children being burned to death down in Waco that year. A not to subtle message if you will. As far as Mr. Bundy being a mooch, he has offered to pay the money to Clark county. He just does not want to pay the money to the government agency that has put 52 of his friends and neighbors out of business. I don't blame him.

[rickc]

I know I am guilty of the old cut and paste with nothing original to add, but I think that this article sums up the situation perfectly. Many people in the west feel that there is a war on the west ,if you will. People in the west are tired of some politician from some big ,liberal, trashy, eastern city trying to impose their will on the west. They have ruined their cities with failed social engineering. Endless miles of urban blight and decay await visitors who travel through these cities. The west has endless miles of natural beauty. Plenty of open space. This way of thinking is not unique to the States. I know there are many in Western Canada who feel the same way. This sentiment is very high in Nevada at this time. Almost everyone is on the side of Mr. Bundy, from the Govenors office down.

http://www.dcclothesline.com/2014/04/12 ... revisited/

[sandorski]

rickc rickc:

Thanos Thanos:

Anyone who pays their fees for the right to graze has no problem at all. Y'know like hundreds of thousands of other American ranching and farming families do every year without kicking up a fuss like a four-year old throwing a tantrum at the shopping mall? The only ones who have a problem with it are the professional corporate welfare moochers and Sovereign Citizen insurrectionists who have no respect for the law and absolutely no respect for anyone else in society either. But expect Randroids and Paultards to respect other people? Yeah, right. What are you, some kind of a fucking communist or something?

Meanwhile, I've attached a photo of myself wearing a cowboy hat to this year's tax return. Hopefully this will intimidate CRA into submission so that I won't have to pay anything.

I have to take issue with your first sentence. Plenty of people who paid their fees, ended up having major problems. 52 ranchers (and former neighbors of Mr. Bundy) had their livelihood taken away from them by the same agency that now has Mr. Bundy in their sights. This all started in 1993 when the BLM dictated that the herd count was to be reduced to 150. Some reports state that Mr. Bundy had several thousand head of cattle at the time. He should just give up his livelihood and way of life because some government bureaucracy sais so? 52 ranchers were put out of business in that part of Nevada thanks to the actions of the BLM. Mr. Bundy is the last man standing, and he is the bad guy? Who is better off by these 52 ranchers being put out of business? How many jobs were lost with the closure of these ranches? How many tax dollars have been lost by the loss of these ranches, and jobs?

Someone said that this should have been handled back in 1993. I agree. That's when all those ranchers should have told the BLM to go pound sand. But it was 1993 after all. That was kind of a bad year for people who opposed the U.S. government with all those women and children being burned to death down in Waco that year. A not to subtle message if you will. As far as Mr. Bundy being a mooch, he has offered to pay the money to Clark county. He just does not want to pay the money to the government agency that has put 52 of his friends and neighbors out of business. I don't blame him.

It wasn't his land. Whether that would have killed his Ranch is moot.

[andyt]

Wait. If he pays the fees he loses his livelihood, but he's willing to pay the fees, just not to the feds? Some sort of weird logic there.

As for not paying the feds, peace protesters have tried not to pay the share of their income taxes that go to the military. No dice there (as there should'nt be) snake eyes for him as well.

[bootlegga]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Sorry Bud, we like you, but you're just not good enough to work here, with us at the Kochs just yet. Anyway, stay with Soros. He's where the real money is, and you're allowed to be clueless. In fact, doesn't he demand it?

Nice of you to finally admit you're nothing but a paid shill of the Koch's!

[andyt]

I seriously doubt they're paying him. I'm sure they could get much more effective propagandists for their money, and wouldn't waste it on CKA. He's just a groupie.

Funny. People advocating for the poor are either called envious if they're not wealthy, or hypocrites if they are. We know that the rich advocating for the rich are greedy. What does that make the non-rich advocating for the rich? Stupid, I guess.

[BartSimpson]

FOX News covered this last night and they came up with some interesting facts:

1. The grazing fees that were originally agreed to were raised retroactively to 1993 earlier this year by the new Director of the BLM. This retroactive increase is unique in that only Mr. Bundy had his fees raised. The contracted amount due is still significant, at almost $200,000. But that's far short of the now $1.3 million the BLM says they want.

2. The new Director of the BLM, Neil Kornze, is a personal friend of and former staffer of US Senator Harry Reid. Can you say CONFLICT OF INTEREST???

3. As noted, Bundy is the last of 53 ranchers in the region that the BLM has 'helped' with their wonderful land management policies. Given that the fee arrangement was presented as providing assistance to the ranchers then Bundy has every right in the world to refuse to pay it since the BLM is now determined to put him out of business and maybe even kill him.

4. Yesterday the BLM served Mr. Bundy with multiple lawsuits in multiple jurisdictions, the intent of which Director Neil Kornze made clear was to deliberately bankrupt Mr. Bundy and to deny him the financial resources to continue to fight the BLM.

[rickc]

sandorski sandorski:

It wasn't his land. Whether that would have killed his Ranch is moot.

You are correct, it is not his land. However his family, and several other families have been legally ranching on that land for generations. So is it your contention that some unelected bureaucrat gets to unilaterally decide to put these law abiding, tax paying people out of business just because he can? You have no problem with that? Well I do! Many of us here in Nevada do as well. Millions of people all across the country have a problem with this situation. You see we happen to think that the Federal government should work for us, not the other way around.

[martin14]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

FOX News covered this last night and they came up with some interesting facts:

1. The grazing fees that were originally agreed to were raised retroactively to 1993 earlier this year by the new Director of the BLM. This retroactive increase is unique in that only Mr. Bundy had his fees raised. The contracted amount due is still significant, at almost $200,000. But that's far short of the now $1.3 million the BLM says they want.

2. The new Director of the BLM, Neil Kornze, is a personal friend of and former staffer of US Senator Harry Reid. Can you say CONFLICT OF INTEREST???

3. As noted, Bundy is the last of 53 ranchers in the region that the BLM has 'helped' with their wonderful land management policies. Given that the fee arrangement was presented as providing assistance to the ranchers then Bundy has every right in the world to refuse to pay it since the BLM is now determined to put him out of business and maybe even kill him.

4. Yesterday the BLM served Mr. Bundy with multiple lawsuits in multiple jurisdictions, the intent of which Director Neil Kornze made clear was to deliberately bankrupt Mr. Bundy and to deny him the financial resources to continue to fight the BLM.

I'm sure andy approves and loves the government's absolute abuse of power.

[N_Fiddledog]

The footage is starting to turn up from filmmakers who were at the confrontation.

Click up to 7:00 for the killer point.

[N_Fiddledog]

andyt andyt:

I seriously doubt they're paying him.

Seriously Man? Seriously? I was just going to leave this alone, and have a private chuckle, because Boots I can forgive. He was just doing his smug, snarky, Prog thing. No big deal. It's what they do, but he at least knew he was talking crap.

You give me the impression you're giving my joke consideration as a serious claim. Seriously Man? What's wrong with you? You're seriously attempting to apply what in your mind I assume feels like common sense to an obvious joke. Reality...ever heard of it?

[rickc]

Here is some footage of the moment that some determined cowboys forced the federal cattle rustlers to return Mr. Bundys cattle. Take a good look at these people. Do they look like a bunch of crazed right wing anti government fanatics bent on overthrowing the government? They look like a bunch of hard working people who make their living off of the land, coming to the aid of one of their own. I do not see anyone waving a gun, or making threats. The feds know they can never win this with force. The common man is on the side of Mr. Bundy. No ranch in Nevada was going to bid on the stolen cattle. The feds were going to ship the cattle to Utah to be auctioned off, until the Governor of Utah made a statement saying that the cattle were not welcome in his State. They say Mr. Bundy owes one million dollars to the federal government. I have read that they have spent up to 3 million dollars on this failed operation. Typical government inefficiency . With all this manpower and hardware that the feds have brought to Clark county, one would have thought that Osama bin Laden was holed up on the Bundy ranch.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_XqdQjTflc

[rickc]

This was a real class act by the feds. They were armed with warrants to seize and remove Mr. Bundys cattle. They used their time to destroy his ranch, punch holes in water tanks, destroy water lines, and kill two prized bulls......one of them was helplessly locked up in a pen. The coup de grace was when they drove over and crushed a tortoise burrow. Yes that same tortoise whose endangerment is the cause of all this nonsense.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/04 ... -standoff/

[Delwin]

rickc rickc:

sandorski sandorski:

It wasn't his land. Whether that would have killed his Ranch is moot.

You are correct, it is not his land. However his family, and several other families have been illegally ranching on that land for decades.

Fixed that for you.

[Delwin]

rickc rickc:

This was a real class act by the feds. They were armed with warrants to seize and remove Mr. Bundys cattle. They allegedly used their time to destroy his ranch, punch holes in water tanks, destroy water lines, and kill two prized bulls......one of them was helplessly locked up in a pen. The coup de grace was when they allegedly drove over and crushed a tortoise burrow. Yes that same tortoise whose endangerment is the cause of all this nonsense.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/04 ... -standoff/

Fox News toured the damage -- allegedly caused by the Bureau of Land Management -- which included holes in water tanks and destroyed water lines and fences.

Another couple revisions. Maybe just start future posts with "Allegedly,". Could make things easier.