[martin14]

eureka eureka:

Will the ant-Unionists be satisfied with another Peterloo? Is the Harper cabal to be allowed to continue its war on Unions unchecked?

Do we then start all over again? Do you have any idea of how much you have lost in the last thirty years already with the successful assault of right wing governments and corporate power on the Unions.

In the USA, only 12% of workers are nor unionised and look at the level of poverty and insecurity in that country. As well as the "bloating" of the anti-Unionists.

It is not quite as bad in Canada, yet, but we are heading in the same direction.

all those hysterics, and for what ?


How do you equate asking the Unions for a little fiscal openess with their destruction ?


Or, are you really so worried about they are going to find ?

[dino_bobba_renno]

Regina Regina:

What is the downside to it?

The union heads can no longer hide the fact that they make redonkulous amounts of money. That would be about it.

[eureka]

martin14 martin14:

eureka eureka:

Will the ant-Unionists be satisfied with another Peterloo? Is the Harper cabal to be allowed to continue its war on Unions unchecked?

Do we then start all over again? Do you have any idea of how much you have lost in the last thirty years already with the successful assault of right wing governments and corporate power on the Unions.

In the USA, only 12% of workers are nor unionised and look at the level of poverty and insecurity in that country. As well as the "bloating" of the anti-Unionists.

It is not quite as bad in Canada, yet, but we are heading in the same direction.

all those hysterics, and for what ?


How do you equate asking the Unions for a little fiscal openess with their destruction ?


Or, are you really so worried about they are going to find ?

First! As I posted earlier, I have seen nothing yet that gives reason for public disclosure of the Union books. They are fully disclosed to the members and who else has a Right?

Then, did you really not notice the government's actions in ordering Unionists back to work twice - practically its first action in this session. Both unwarranted and forcing unreasonable settlements. Both violating the Charter and International Conventions.

I posted in another thread Orwell's dictum that "Fascism is the counter attack of Capitalism on the Unions." These "Conservatives" are too dumb to be Fascists and have no idea where their actions could lead. But, this is the top of the slope.

[martin14]

But yet you provide no good reason to keep them closed.

If Unions claim to serve the public interest, let them show it.


more Harper BS
All governments have used back to work legislation for.... decades...


and more shrieking hysterics...




Fail.

[eureka]

martin14 martin14:

But yet you provide no good reason to keep them closed.

If Unions claim to serve the public interest, let them show it.


more Harper BS
All governments have used back to work legislation for.... decades...


and more shrieking hysterics...




Fail.

Unions exist to serve the interests of their members. In doing so they do serve the public interest. Their funds are not from the public. It really is simple enough. No private bodies are required to make public disclosure.

Governments have not used "back to work" legislation for decades until there is a reality of public harm in continuance. This legislation was passed before any strike began and it imposed terms that were less than the employer has offered. It is illegal and WAS Fascist. I doubt that anywhere, ever, has this happened since there have been laws regulating Rights.

In both National and International Law, Workers have the Right to form Unions, They have the Right to collective bargaining; They have the Right to strike.

The acts of the Harper administration are an egregious violation of both this country's laws and international law.

[bootlegga]

I think if organizations are lobbying politicians or funding political campaigns they should open their books.

But that should include everyone (like think tanks, private corporations, clubs, etc), not just unions.

[BartSimpson]

martin14 martin14:

eureka eureka:

Will the ant-Unionists be satisfied with another Peterloo? Is the Harper cabal to be allowed to continue its war on Unions unchecked?

Do we then start all over again? Do you have any idea of how much you have lost in the last thirty years already with the successful assault of right wing governments and corporate power on the Unions.

In the USA, only 12% of workers are nor unionised and look at the level of poverty and insecurity in that country. As well as the "bloating" of the anti-Unionists.

It is not quite as bad in Canada, yet, but we are heading in the same direction.

all those hysterics, and for what ?


How do you equate asking the Unions for a little fiscal openess with their destruction ?


Or, are you really so worried about they are going to find ?

He is. Unions don't want their crimes revealed to the public or to their members. The worst of them for the moment is SEIU. SEIU members who ask questions of their own union have a nagging tendency to have the sh*t kicked out of them.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sour ... afe=strict

[eureka]

Is that supposed to be an argument, Bart?

[raydan]

This is the situation (2006) for unions in Canada...

The study, Union Disclosure in Canada, found that neither the federal government nor any province requires unions to publicly disclose financial information. Eight jurisdictions in Canada (seven provinces and the federal government) mandate some financial disclosure to union members, but only if formally requested, and there are no regulations specifying the amount of detail required in union financial statements.

[Zipperfish]

Crap. Union meeting is like the last place you can get a free beer. Now they're gonna fuck that all up.

[BartSimpson]

eureka eureka:

Is that supposed to be an argument, Bart?

Nope. It's simply a statement of being.