[martin14]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Trolling trolling trolling....

[Unsound]

I really don't see what the problem is with what he's saying. He's not saying we need to wait for proof or a trial to stop people from commiting criminal acts, nor that we shouldn't, as citizens, do our part to identify or provide evidence of suspects in criminal cases. All he's saying is that once suspects have been identified and apprehended(or turned themselves in) it's time for us as ctizens to back off and let the system to what it's supposed to do. Anything more is vigilanteism.

[andyt]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Trolling trolling trolling....

I know, it's hard when you're shown up.

[martin14]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Stay on yer arse and wait for the courts decided wrong from right andy.

Yes, 2 or 3 years from now, maybe longer since these cases won't get any 'special' attention.
Actually, for the ones outed, I could care less what the courts do.
I think being outed will be stronger punishment and deterrent for the next time,
and thus more effective than what the injudicial system will do.

$1:

in the next breath blame the police for not stopping these patently clear-cut criminals from rioting, burning looting etc.

It's been pretty sad to watch Andy blame everyone except where it really belongs.

[martin14]

Unsound Unsound:

All he's saying is that once suspects have been identified and apprehended(or turned themselves in) it's time for us as ctizens to back off and let the system to what it's supposed to do. Anything more is vigilanteism.

With the speed of Canadian courts, there will be lots of time.



The one who really needs to watch out is Alex Prochadzka.
People are going after his sponsors, and his participation in an event in July.

[andyt]

Unsound Unsound:

I really don't see what the problem is with what he's saying. He's not saying we need to wait for proof or a trial to stop people from commiting criminal acts, nor that we shouldn't, as citizens, do our part to identify or provide evidence of suspects in criminal cases. All he's saying is that once suspects have been identified and apprehended(or turned themselves in) it's time for us as ctizens to back off and let the system to what it's supposed to do. Anything more is vigilanteism.

Eggs Ackley, you troll.

[Unsound]

martin14 martin14:

Unsound Unsound:

All he's saying is that once suspects have been identified and apprehended(or turned themselves in) it's time for us as ctizens to back off and let the system to what it's supposed to do. Anything more is vigilanteism.

With the speed of Canadian courts, there will be lots of time.

Sadly, that's probably true but it's no excuse for ordinary people to take matters into their own hands.

[andyt]

Here's a reason not to go off half cocked: http://www.vancouversun.com/news/charged+riot+incident+hero+says+grateful+friend/4984160/story.html "Man charged in riot incident a hero, says grateful friend"

One of the first men charged in the Stanley Cup riot should be hailed as a hero instead of having to defend himself in court, says a friend who was stabbed during the melee.

Sunny Jaura, who was knifed in the back in the 700-block of Hornby, said his friend Joshua Evans disarmed the man who was attacking Jaura and two others in their group.

Yet Evans is now charged with possession of a dangerous weapon after police arrived at the scene and saw him with the knife.

Jaura said it is upsetting to see that Evans, an engineering student in Calgary, is now being named as a criminal along with the man alleged to have attacked them."

But our CKA posse would have this guy drawn and quartered by now.

[BartSimpson]

andyt andyt:

And you're a typical reactionary, hang em high before we even have the evidence. He's talking about convicting people before they are found guilty, not police operations. I don't know what it is with you right wingers who seem to want to do away with the court system and go back to vigilante justice. Until it involves you or someone you care about of course.

THIS is what I'm talking about, Andy. In what universe is this a-hole NOT guilty of vandalism? Hmmm? And what more evidence do you need?

That jackass Henry would have you look at that picture and say, "Well, I'm not so sure of what I'm seeing here. Maybe there's facts I'm missing and this is a matter best left to the authorities who've already made it clear that they will not prosecute all of these people even when the evidence is dead-to-rights because they're too busy with the criminals they already have."

That's right. It's already come out that even when the evidence is rock-solid the VPD won't arrest or prosecute everyone because they're too busy with the criminals they already have.

So the people can identify these vandals on Facebook and etc. and then write letters to employers, family, friends, schools, and etc. and at least extract a measure of justice.

And writing letters and telling businesses that you disapprove of their choice of employee is FREE SPEECH and it is most certainly NOT 'vigilante justice' and if you think it is then YOU have your head up your a...

[martin14]

andyt andyt:

But our CKA posse would have this guy drawn and quartered by now.

Truly, you have no idea how out of touch you really are.

[andyt]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

andyt andyt:

And you're a typical reactionary, hang em high before we even have the evidence. He's talking about convicting people before they are found guilty, not police operations. I don't know what it is with you right wingers who seem to want to do away with the court system and go back to vigilante justice. Until it involves you or someone you care about of course.

THIS is what I'm talking about, Andy. In what universe is this a-hole NOT guilty of vandalism? Hmmm? And what more evidence do you need?

That jackass Henry would have you look at that picture and say, "Well, I'm not so sure of what I'm seeing here. Maybe there's facts I'm missing and this is a matter best left to the authorities who've already made it clear that they will not prosecute all of these people even when the evidence is dead-to-rights because they're too busy with the criminals they already have."

That's right. It's already come out that even when the evidence is rock-solid the VPD won't arrest or prosecute everyone because they're too busy with the criminals they already have.

So the people can identify these vandals on Facebook and etc. and then write letters to employers, family, friends, schools, and etc. and at least extract a measure of justice.

And writing letters and telling businesses that you disapprove of their choice of employee is FREE SPEECH and it is most certainly NOT 'vigilante justice' and if you think it is then YOU have your head up your a...

The thing is you're arguing with a straw man that you created. Read the excerpts form the story I quoted above, and you'll see he's saying no such things. Nor am I. I'm just agreeing with him that we shouldn't form act as a mob ourselves, keep some reason.

[BartSimpson]

andyt andyt:

As usual, it's a very poor headline. It's not illegal to name and shame people who were at the riot, and this guy's not saying it is. He is saying that it might be libel to label them criminals, and that with underage offenders if they go before the courts, and the site with their pics makes a connection to that, the site could have problems. He' pointing out the facts of law.

I don't know if you noticed, but the pics of the Vancouver riots have gone worldwide and, last I checked, outside of Canada no one gives a rats patoot what a Canadian juvenile court judge thinks.

[BartSimpson]

martin14 martin14:

It's been pretty typical to watch Andy blame everyone except where it really belongs.

Hope you don't mind me correcting your grammar.

[andyt]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

martin14 martin14:

It's been pretty typical to watch Andy blame everyone except where it really belongs.

Hope you don't mind me correcting your grammar.

I know. Let's not criticize the police, just bury our head in the sand, rage about the rioters, which accomplishes nothing, and repeat the same mistakes next time.

[BartSimpson]

andyt andyt:

Here's a reason not to go off half cocked: http://www.vancouversun.com/news/charged+riot+incident+hero+says+grateful+friend/4984160/story.html "Man charged in riot incident a hero, says grateful friend"

One of the first men charged in the Stanley Cup riot should be hailed as a hero instead of having to defend himself in court, says a friend who was stabbed during the melee.

Sunny Jaura, who was knifed in the back in the 700-block of Hornby, said his friend Joshua Evans disarmed the man who was attacking Jaura and two others in their group.

Yet Evans is now charged with possession of a dangerous weapon after police arrived at the scene and saw him with the knife.

Jaura said it is upsetting to see that Evans, an engineering student in Calgary, is now being named as a criminal along with the man alleged to have attacked them."

But our CKA posse would have this guy drawn and quartered by now.

Oh, please.

This isn't the PUBLIC going off half-cocked it's the same cops you're telling everyone to trust who've gone off here and ignored what they were told.

You know, if you're going to bring up stuff to defend your position kindly do a better job of it, eh?