[Scape]

BRAH BRAH:

Let her debate and show the public how delusional she is..

She did debate and she was more then good at staking her claim or were you asleep for 2008? If anything Harper wanted her there if only to bleed more votes away from the Libs and NDP but the optics ended up in a 4 on 1 pile on and in the end it was a stalemate with no clear winners and a lot of people thinking the whole process was a wash.

Harper has all the warmth of a robot and no discernible vision. A debate is his best way to break that impression to the most amount of voters. This country has been running rudderless without a mandate for the last 5 years. We are at the apex of handing over a majority to a party that doesn't even need to present some idea of where they are taking the country because we are all about to throw up our hands in disgust with the current status quo. It was that disgust that created the reform party on the right and subsequently the greens on the left. It wasn't some bat shit insane fringe movement but we still need to squelch them from the debates otherwise we end up with the established parties not getting the level of scrutiny to their platforms the task they are applying for requires.

[Scape]

QBC QBC:

Lets face it, the media coverage of her not being allowed to debate has given her more publicity than the debate ever would have.

Last time it did, this time it was a bit of a dud. I think she has gone as far as she could with the 'outrage' but she is out of gas now. She is in real danger of making the greens into exactly what the rest of the media portrays her to be as, a one trick pony. She seems more interested in winning the gulf island then making the Greens into a serious contender like the Greens are in Germany. At least the Greens in Germany have Fukushima to wedge on Merkel, May doesn't have that type of traction with voters over the oilsands here.

[Yogi]

Lemmy Lemmy:

jeff744 jeff744:

Because everyone already knows what their one trick pony stands for, they don't have enough issues to actually make a worthwhile debate.

Sure, that's true, but if you stand for election, you ought to be able to show your one trick to the voters. If you really ARE a one trick pony, that will be more quickly revealed if the candidate is allowed to speak.

^^ Fair is fair then! They should ALL get a seat at the table. Right?


List of federal political parties in Canada

In contrast with the political party systems of many nations, Canadian parties at the federal level are often only loosely connected with parties at the provincial level, despite having similar names. One exception is the New Democratic Party, which is organizationally integrated with most of its provincial counterparts including a shared membership.

Political parties currently represented in the House of Commons:
Bloc Québécois (founded in 1991) - Quebec sovereignty, social democratic
Conservative Party of Canada (founded in 2003) - conservative
Liberal Party of Canada (founded in 1867) - liberal
New Democratic Party (founded in 1961) - social democratic
[edit] Other parties registered with Elections CanadaAnimal Alliance Environment Voters Party of Canada (founded in 2005) - environmentalist, animal liberationist
Canadian Action Party (founded in 1997) - populist, anti-globalization
Christian Heritage Party of Canada (founded in 1987) - social conservative
Communist Party of Canada (founded in 1921) - communist
Communist Party of Canada (Marxist-Leninist) (founded in 1970) - communist/Marxist-Leninist influenced by Maoism and the ideas of Enver Hoxha
First Peoples National Party of Canada (founded in 2005) - Aboriginal rights advocacy
Green Party of Canada (founded 1983) - Green
Libertarian Party of Canada (founded in 1975) - libertarian
Marijuana Party of Canada (founded in 2000) - pro-marijuana legalization
Rhinoceros Party (founded in 2006) - Joke party
People's Political Power of Canada (founded in 2006)- feminist, centrist, populist
Pirate Party of Canada
Progressive Canadian Party (founded in 2004) - progressive conservative, Red Tory
United Party of Canada
Western Block Party (founded 2005) - western separatist and paleoconservative/libertarian conservative

[Lemmy]

Winnipegger Winnipegger:

I do have a couple specific complaints about what the Green Party stands for, but before I mention any of those I want to hear your answer. What is their "whacky shit"?

A $2/L tax on gasoline is pretty whacky. Fuel is an input to most production and, since everything we purchase rides a truck, the inflation a massive gasoline tax would create would be crippling.

[romanP]

It's $0.12, not $2.

[saturn_656]

12 cents or two dollars... we're already paying too much tax on gas.

[Lemmy]

romanP romanP:

It's $0.12, not $2.

$2, I says.

[Scape]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

12 cents or two dollars... we're already paying too much tax on gas.

3 to 4.3 Billion Barrels of Technically Recoverable Oil Assessed in North Dakota and Montana’s Bakken Formation—25 Times More Than 1995 Estimate—

You're not paying nearly enough.

[Lemmy]

Scape Scape:

You're not paying nearly enough.

Not paying enough money or enough tax? The problem with fuel price volatility is that everything rides a truck. Increase in the price of gasoline creates inflation across the board. Gasoline is a very dangerous place to look for tax revenue.

[saturn_656]

Scape Scape:

saturn_656 saturn_656:

12 cents or two dollars... we're already paying too much tax on gas.

3 to 4.3 Billion Barrels of Technically Recoverable Oil Assessed in North Dakota and Montana’s Bakken Formation—25 Times More Than 1995 Estimate—

You're not paying nearly enough.

Me personally or Canadians in general?

What does the amount of oil in the Bakken Formation have to do with all the taxes we pay on fuel?

I don't know what you pay, but in Ontario it's 24.7 cents per litre excise tax, plus 13% HST. FYI the HST is applied AFTER the excise tax, so we are all paying tax on a tax.

[Scape]

http://www.victoriagasprices.com/Victoria/index.aspx

Victoria it is at : 128.9

As compared to Norway:

http://money.cnn.com/2011/03/10/news/in ... e/?iid=MPM

246.15

When they have an oilfield off their shore.

Canadians pay more for gas then the US but the price itself is kept artificially low by subsidies but that is only in effect as long as there is ample supply on the world market. We are not paying anywhere near the real cost of gas. This bubble economy we are living in will draw to a close at some point and the US will not be sharing with us when they are clearly buying everyone elses gas and keeping their own in the ground. Once they suck our tar sands dry we will be out in the cold.

[saturn_656]

Scape Scape:

http://www.victoriagasprices.com/Victoria/index.aspx

Victoria it is at : 128.9

As compared to Norway:

http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lists/ ... gasprices/

166.31

When they have an oilfield off their shore.

Canadians pay more for gas then the US but the price itself is kept artificially low by subsidies but that is only in effect as long as there is ample supply on the world market. We are not paying anywhere near the real cost of gas. This bubble economy we are living in will draw to a close at some point and the US will not be sharing with us when they are clearly buying everyone elses gas and keeping their own in the ground. Once they suck our tar sands dry we will be out in the cold.

Gasoline in Norway (and I think Europe in general) is heavily taxed, which is what accounts for the insane price per litre. It's also hard to argue that our fuel is subsidized when one third of what we pay at the pump is tax.

What, in your opinion, is the "real cost" of gas?

[Scape]

Norway is taking their oil revenue and investing it into next generation power. That's why its so high because they know they are running out.

http://www.newsinenglish.no/2010/10/17/ ... -oil-fund/

$1:

All of Norway’s oil and gas revenues are placed in the fund, with only around 4 percent of it pumped into the state budget. The fund was set up with the goal of stashing away much of Norway’s oil and gas revenue for future generations.

Right now we are spending hand to mouth, which is fine if you plan on no tomorrow. We know the oil will be harder and harder to get and at the same time we will have more mouths to feed. We need to invest in sustainable power projects on the scale of a national project like the trans-Canada highway. Petro-Canada meant we own a few pumps but what we need to create is our own means of sustainable energy. IMHO we may be sustaining an economy today at the expense of the future, it's like we are having a reckless party and we need to keep the kegs tapped or no one will come by and think we are cool. We need to start banking our revenue and invest it while we still can the party can't last forever.

[Lemmy]

Comparing North American gas prices to those in Europe isn't a fair comparison. Europeans pay higher per litre prices, yet have MUCH lower annual fuel costs. They just don't travel like North Americans. Commercially, European goods can move much more easily by rail or ship than in North America. It's a much tougher choice to tax gasoline here than there because its a much larger input-to-producion cost in North America. Ripping up all that rail in Canada back in the 80s was a really short-sighted decision.

[Scape]

The price itself is subsided and kept low. The larger issue is the revenue that is being siphoned off. Someone else is drinking our milkshake. In Alberta they are using that cash to fund their health system. I suggest we use it to also create something more long term.