[hurley_108]

Proculation Proculation:

The nomination is temporary, like Michael Forter. Smith is going to quit senate to present himself at the next election for MP.

So in other words, the Conservatives are abusing the Senate, using it to give their guys a leg up on the competition by giving them government experience without having to go through the usual bothersome process of, you know, getting elected to some office or another.

[RUEZ]

hurley_108 hurley_108:

Proculation Proculation:

The nomination is temporary, like Michael Forter. Smith is going to quit senate to present himself at the next election for MP.

So in other words, the Conservatives are abusing the Senate, using it to give their guys a leg up on the competition by giving them government experience without having to go through the usual bothersome process of, you know, getting elected to some office or another.

I suggest you convince the Liberals to go along with an elected senate. That should take care of all your worries.

[RUEZ]

Arctic_Menace Arctic_Menace:

(Cue Harper defenders and cries of "well the Liberals did it too" in 3, 2, 1...)

Of course the Conservatives are better than the Liberals and should be held to a higher standard.

[hurley_108]

RUEZ RUEZ:

hurley_108 hurley_108:

Proculation Proculation:

The nomination is temporary, like Michael Forter. Smith is going to quit senate to present himself at the next election for MP.

So in other words, the Conservatives are abusing the Senate, using it to give their guys a leg up on the competition by giving them government experience without having to go through the usual bothersome process of, you know, getting elected to some office or another.

I suggest you convince the Liberals to go along with an elected senate. That should take care of all your worries.

Oh, yea, the solution to Harper abusing the fuck out of the senate is for the Liberals to assent to Harper's policies. With that kind of thinking it's no wonder we're in this mess.

[DrRosen]

If Ruez says we Conservatives need to be held to a higher standard then lets hold ourselves to that. The criticism of Harper's appointments is deserved. He promised many times that he would not make patronage appointments. Of the 29 Harper appointees only handful are moderates, like Pamela Wallin, Nancy Greene and Kelvin Ogilvie. Most are hard-core, ultra-right nuts, one is an illiterate former hockey coach and antoher is an outright criminal. I'm sad to admit the Liberals hold the higher ground on senate appointments.

[PimpBrewski123]

Ah c'mon Arctic Menace, but, but, but,,,

[Scape]

It's a hail mary pass by the Harper team to tackle the big issues important to all Canadian families. The media blitz to cover this appointment will be seen as interference blocking the changes necessary for this extra point and thus gain the field and break the balanced line of the opposition. The Harper team must now control the clock to counter the defensive holding of the opposition to gain the field position required to force a fumble and create the opening of forward progress. The Harper team must be careful not to be sidelined or forced to punt but rather stiff arm any and all opposition and sweep the tight ends for the Canadian public that will be the wide receivers to this political touchdown.

Oh, it's good!

[RUEZ]

hurley_108 hurley_108:

Oh, yea, the solution to Harper abusing the fuck out of the senate is for the Liberals to assent to Harper's policies. With that kind of thinking it's no wonder we're in this mess.

Abusing? Give me a break. You guys don't like what's going on then do something about it.

[RUEZ]

DrRosen DrRosen:

If Ruez says we Conservatives need to be held to a higher standard then lets hold ourselves to that. The criticism of Harper's appointments is deserved. He promised many times that he would not make patronage appointments. Of the 29 Harper appointees only handful are moderates, like Pamela Wallin, Nancy Greene and Kelvin Ogilvie. Most are hard-core, ultra-right nuts, one is an illiterate former hockey coach and antoher is an outright criminal. I'm sad to admit the Liberals hold the higher ground on senate appointments.

Then let's get that elected senate going so all you whiners will stop whining. It's amazing how these appointments only become a problem for some when the Conservatives do it.

[DrRosen]

RUEZ RUEZ:

Then let's get that elected senate going so all you whiners will stop whining.

of course, that's been Conservative policy forever. Why isn't it happening?

RUEZ RUEZ:

It's amazing how these appointments only become a problem for some when the Conservatives do it.

It's not that they do it but how. If we appointed credible Conservatives like Pamela Wallin and Calvin Olgvie the Libs wouldn't have a cause for complaint. When we appoint the likes of Patrick Brazeau, Judith Seidman, Bert Brown and Steven Greene, we beg to be criticized.

[Zipperfish]

RUEZ RUEZ:

Abusing? Give me a break. You guys don't like what's going on then do something about it.

We are--bitching and moaning.

Anyways, it's mindless partisan hackery like yours that prevents the Conservatives from being able to crawl above about 35% in the poll. And that's a good ting, as Martha would say.

[Thanos]

On the overall scale of broken/forgotten promises any Conservative senate appointment still ranks far below the Liberals promising to get rid of the GST, and then Chretien bizarrely insisting that they never said that anywhere at all. And it was the Liberals, more than anyone else, who ensured that the appointment process for the Senate would never be changed when they steadfastly opposed and sabotaged any movement toward an elected Senate, so fuck them if they don't like it when the process they rigged in their own favour gets turned around and bites them on their pathetic asses for a change.

And on the subject of moral correctness surely anything or anyone associated with the Liberal Party of Canada are the last ones with any right at all all to point their fingers at the others. I certainly won't take any lectures at all from that (proven) self-aggrandizing criminal enterprise that keeps disguising itself as a federal political party.

[hurley_108]

RUEZ RUEZ:

hurley_108 hurley_108:

Oh, yea, the solution to Harper abusing the fuck out of the senate is for the Liberals to assent to Harper's policies. With that kind of thinking it's no wonder we're in this mess.

Abusing? Give me a break. You guys don't like what's going on then do something about it.

Yes, abusing. Senators are appointed until they're 75 at present. You know, to be a body of sober second thought. Twice now he has appointed people who HAVE STATED NO INTENTION of sticking it out for the long haul, not even this pulled-out-of-their-asses voluntary 8 year term limit. What sober second thought are they going to be able to provide? None. That's abuse of the purpose, but then that's Harper's whole game plan. Twist every body, every procedure to his own narrow twisted partisan ends.

Oh, and by the way, you guys are in power now. You want to fix the senate, fix it already. Don't keep doing this half-assed shit, call for a constitutional amendment and let the chips fall where they may. The Liberals haven't been in power since 2006, it's not their place to fix anything.

[hurley_108]

RUEZ RUEZ:

Then let's get that elected senate going so all you whiners will stop whining. It's amazing how these appointments only become a problem for some when the Conservatives do it.

Great! Let's hear the fleshed-out plan for how we're going to fully transition, nationally, to an elected senate. Terms limits, the form of the ballots, the number of senators per province, etc. And then let's fucking vote on it already.

We've heard S. F. A from Harper and his ilk on this.

[atethepaint]

Let's just do away with the Senate altogether. It's nothing more than a political entity for the ultra-rich good-ol' boys to feel they have some say in the running of the country. The House of Commons is where all the power is now anyways, so the Senate is an anachronistic dinosaur that really serves no function.

Liberal, Conservative, NPD, Bloc...it doesn't matter who gets appointed to the senate, because they're all over-paid, spoiled, rich bastards!