[GreenTiger]

Brenda Brenda:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Which is why he should never be free to roam in society again. But it's also no excuse to treat him worse than a factory farm animal.

Factory farm animals usually dont randomly kill people. The animals who do, will be shot.

I would still arrange for him to have a close encounter with a guillotine
think og ot as a historical reenactment, even hold it in Quebec and call it part of their national heritage.

[Newsbot]

Title: Vince Li to be allowed supervised walks
Category: Law & Order
Posted By: ShepherdsDog
Date: 2010-06-03 16:40:22
Canadian

[ShepherdsDog]

I hope they have a leash and muzzle when they take him for walks on the grounds. Fortunately, the province, in a rare show of common sense, stated that Li couldn't take walks until a security fence was put up around the grounds. Please keep in mind that this place has housed those found not guilty by reason of insanity for years and years. All that time, all those crazies(and I'm not referring to regular folks with mental health issues) and there was never a fence.

[BeaverFever]

ya, this isnt an issue of 'punnishment' - that ship sailed upon realization that the man is insane. He will probably never stand trial but will probably never be released from the looney bin given the nature of his crime and his failure to maintain treatment in the past - at least not until he is a feeble, frail old man.

For all of you calling for blood, the irony is that when he is lucid and having 'sane' moments, he is reportedly wrought with guilt over what he did, the same way you or I would if we realized that we did something unspeakable while in some altered state; if walks help him with his therapy, he will spend more time suffering over what he did than if he were just left in a dark room babbling and lost in his own insanity. Executing the guy, denying him walks, or whatever cruel treatment you can dream up for him might make YOU feel good for some strange reason, but that's not justice in this case.

[Freakinoldguy]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

I hope they have a leash and muzzle when they take him for walks on the grounds. Fortunately, the province, in a rare show of common sense, stated that Li couldn't take walks until a security fence was put up around the grounds. Please keep in mind that this place has housed those found not guilty by reason of insanity for years and years. All that time, all those crazies(and I'm not referring to regular folks with mental health issues) and there was never a fence.

I guess this is just a sop to the paying public, since it wasn't required for any other criminally insane inmate.

Now that they're building a fence we can all feel safe again and be assured that the likes of Vince Li will never earn release from this institution.

What a crock of shit, the system failed long before the province decided to put up that fence, if it hadn't, Vince Li would never have gotten into Canada.

It kind of makes you wonder how many other batshit crazies immigration has let in to the country without anyone saying or doing anything to curtail them?

[BeaverFever]

Who says he was batshit crazy when he entered Canada? Or that it should have been known known he was crazy?

I'm under the impression that he was here for a while, was married and working when the symptoms first became apparent.

[Freakinoldguy]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Who says he was batshit crazy when he entered Canada? Or that it should have been known known he was crazy?

I'm under the impression that he was here for a while, was married and working when the symptoms first became apparent.

You may be right. But since nobody seems to know when the symptoms first appeared we can only surmise that he was sane when he entered Canada. But, since paranoid Schizophrenia usually manifests itself over a period of time he quite possibly was displaying the symptoms when he emmigrated.

$1:

Mental illness like schizophrenia and psychosis can impact anyone. Schizophrenia specifically usually develops into a full-blown illness in late adolescence or early adulthood and affects an estimated 1 in 100 Canadians and their families.

So my guess would be given Vince Li's age of 40 he already was displaying the symptoms when he arrived in Canada.

Either way i'd like to know what screening proceedures Immgration Canada has for new Immigrants to ensure they're mentally competent and not a danger to society.

They may or may not have dropped the ball on Vince Li, so should the public be concerned that there may be other batshit crazy Vince Li types out there waiting to go off the deep end that no one cares enough about to try stop.

[Benn]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Either way i'd like to know what screening proceedures Immgration Canada has for new Immigrants to ensure they're mentally competent and not a danger to society.

Mentally Competent? Well that would be ZERO measures. I mean sure if the appliant has an interview with a CIC officer and starts boucing off the walls then he might get nailed, but otherwise there is no mental health test per-se.

Danger? Well there is Migration integrity screening. Its the most frustrating job since recommendations are almost always ignored, every office does it to a differnet standard, some offices take it serious and others just rubber stamp. That should give you an idea.

Sleep well tonight!

[herbie]

Snapped. Went crazy. Nervous breakdown. Lost it. Flipped.
That didn't just stop around the time they got rid of black & white movies. Naming the condition and recognizing it as a disease didn't change the nature of it.

We tolerate such a range of emotion and behaviour on a daily basis no one really knows until something so off the wall happens you pay attention. Whether it's your neighbour your coworker or in your own family might suddenly go bonkers.
Your family doctor knows little about mental disorders, doesn't look for it and isn't trained to unless all else fails. Most people who aren't doctors or intimately experienced know dick shit.
In most cases you find out someone's bipolar or schizo after the fact.

[Brenda]

You get a blood test, an HIV test, a TB test (lung xray), a questionaire about your previous health issues, a urine test (diabetes), and the question whether you use medication or not. No psychiatric shit, you are supposed to answer truthfully.

And then you pay. A LOT. I paid around $750 for 4 people.

[Freakinoldguy]

Thanks for the input folks. It's hard to believe that Immigration doesn't do any testing for mental competence in immigrants?

It's not just the Vince Li's that are a problem it's all the people who are mentally incompetent that arrive here, can't function and we end up maintaining them.

It's a pretty screwed up system if you can be rejected for diabetes but accepted while being crazier than a shithouse rat.

[Brenda]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Thanks for the input folks. It's hard to believe that Immigration doesn't do any testing for mental competence in immigrants?

It's not just the Vince Li's that are a problem it's all the people who are mentally incompetent that arrive here, can't function and we end up maintaining them.

It's a pretty screwed up system if you can be rejected for diabetes but accepted while being crazier than a shithouse rat.

Nah, you won't get rejected, but you have to have it under control. HIV is not a problem either, as long as you take your medication. So a mental illness is not a problem either, as long as you take your medication. With that it is under control.

Mental issues are not of any importance of immigration officers. I don't know what is, because basicly, the whole process is bs. You need a certain level of education (that has no merrit in Canada), you need a certain job (that you have to re-educate yourself in, because your foreign education means squat), you can't have a criminal record younger than 10 years (anything older than 10 years will be ok, unless you have spent more than 10 years in jail, or something), you need to speak English (the test is not THAT hard, and is far from a test in fluency...) and you need money. And a lot of patience. That's it.

[Benn]

Brenda Brenda:

Mental issues are not of any importance of immigration officers. I don't know what is, because basicly, the whole process is bs. You need a certain level of education (that has no merrit in Canada), you need a certain job (that you have to re-educate yourself in, because your foreign education means squat), you can't have a criminal record younger than 10 years (anything older than 10 years will be ok, unless you have spent more than 10 years in jail, or something), you need to speak English (the test is not THAT hard, and is far from a test in fluency...) and you need money. And a lot of patience. That's it.

Bang on Brenda, then again you were lucky enough (sarcasm) to have been trough the process. Oh and it might not surprise you but its only some nationalities which are disallowed with a criminal record in the past 10 years. Policy was not official when I worked there but one only has to look at which cases we rejected only to have them overturned on the premise of "its not that big a deal" yet western European nationals were getting nixed for minor shoplifting.

I did my job well but in the end it amounted to BS due to the the people who reviewed the appeals. Want to know why people with mental defects get in? Its because the people who review their appeals have mental defects. I got sick seeing appeal results to the tune of "who cares about the weapons charges, he has a good education and is in love with a Canadian." Or "while there is a substantial amount of circumstantial evidence to think he is involved in terrorism unless it can be proven undeniably or hte applicant admits to it then their application muyst pass through the background stage." If you think I'm SH@ting you guys then good, thinking that will help you sleep better at night.

Glad I left after a few years, the job would have made me the most bitter person going.