[RUEZ]

bootlegga bootlegga:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Hey, at least this time the owners are being reimburesed for their loss.

I don't have a problem with that, but automatic weapons don't belong in the hands of civilians.

These weren't automatic weapons.

[Public_Domain]

[RUEZ]

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

RUEZ RUEZ:

bootlegga bootlegga:

There's no need for a civilian to own an assault rifle anyways. Good riddance!

Maybe it's his hobby. Power to him.

My hobby is collecting rocks.

/lie, I have no hobby.

Would you be cool if he collected Military Weaponry, such as an RPG?

Or if his hobby was collecting Yellow Cake?

A neighbour you can be comfortable next too.

Hey why stop there? If we're going to make outlandish comparisons maybe his hobby was collecting white women as slaves?

[Public_Domain]

[QBall]

RUEZ RUEZ:

QBall QBall:

bootlegga bootlegga:

So if someone's hobby is crystal meth, then it's okay?

Or child porn?

Ha Ha, are you kidding? You want to compare the sexual exploitation of children to a person owning a firearm? That's sad.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Christ you're dense.

[Yogi]

All of you 'armchair experts' are laughable! You have absolutely no experience with any weapons, yet feel that not only are you qualified to speak about, but legislate against responsible ownership and use thereof.

It's not the 'object' that should be outlawed, rather the misuse of! Our laws against misuse of weapons are also laughable. Make the punishment so severe that people would not be inclined to use them in 'other than a safe manner'.

Using your argument against...' I'll apply it also to DVD players. Do you have your DVD player locked up? Chained down? I didn't think so! What's to stop the next person you get into an argument, at home, with from picking up your DVD player when you aren't looking, and literally beat you to death with it??? At the point such person picks up the DVD player, or any other object which they intend to do harm to another person, that object has become a weapon, therefore NO ONE should be allowed to own one, because, afterall, 'we' really can do just fine without ...(create list by looking around you at every hard, sharp, pointed object...!

So, by rote, There is absolutely no reason at all for anyone to have a DVD player in their posession. Afterall, there are sooo many other ways to enjoy ones self!

[RUEZ]

QBall QBall:

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Christ you're dense.

That's exactly what you said dumbass.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Well Yogi, that was cute and totally irrelevant. First off, your inital blanket statement is just dead wrong. Don't assume that just because some of us feel the way we do that we have NO experience with any weapons.

And secondly, the DVD player example just don't cut it. How many people do you know carry a DVD player under their jacket to assault people with? How many homes have been broken into where a DVD player was stolen and then used to commit another crime?
Or, to put it another way, there are currently around 88,000 firearms floating around the country that have been stolen from people's homes and museums. Just from 2000 to 2007 17,000 have gone missing or been stolen including MP5Ks, MG42s, MAC-10s, Thompson sub-machine guns, a Sten MK ll, several AK variants, and no fewer than 32 AR-15s Only 10% of all the prohibited class weapons that were lost or stolen have ever been recovered nationwide.
To put it another way, those 88,000 missing guns could "outfit" the equivalent of 6-8 modern, full-strength infantry divisions. Keep in mind, these stats are only for registered weapons. The number could well be much higher when you factor in those that DON'T register.

One last point, based on average stats from guns stolen/yr and murders/yr, your chances of having your gun stolen are 6-7 times greater than they are for being murdered.

[bootlegga]

Yogi Yogi:

All of you 'armchair experts' are laughable! You have absolutely no experience with any weapons, yet feel that not only are you qualified to speak about, but legislate against responsible ownership and use thereof.

It's not the 'object' that should be outlawed, rather the misuse of! Our laws against misuse of weapons are also laughable. Make the punishment so severe that people would not be inclined to use them in 'other than a safe manner'.

Using your argument against...' I'll apply it also to DVD players. Do you have your DVD player locked up? Chained down? I didn't think so! What's to stop the next person you get into an argument, at home, with from picking up your DVD player when you aren't looking, and literally beat you to death with it??? At the point such person picks up the DVD player, or any other object which they intend to do harm to another person, that object has become a weapon, therefore NO ONE should be allowed to own one, because, afterall, 'we' really can do just fine without ...(create list by looking around you at every hard, sharp, pointed object...!

So, by rote, There is absolutely no reason at all for anyone to have a DVD player in their posession. Afterall, there are sooo many other ways to enjoy ones self!

And when you can kill dozens of people in a matter of minutes with a DVD player, you'll be right. Until then, your 'expert' qualification is in serious doubt.

This conversation is about military assault rifles that are easily converted to automatic fire from semi-automatic.

DO YOU GET THAT?

It's not a six shot pistol, it's not a hunting rifle, it's not a shotgun, it's a military weapon DESIGNED solely for killing people. Civilians do not need weapons like that.

For anyone who thinks they do, let's discuss gun massacres. In the Columbine massacre, more than a DOZEN students and teachers (and I'm not including the two assholes in the death count) lost their lives because a couple of assholes armed with easily obtained automatic weapons (Tec-9s) went into their school and started shooting up the place.

Are you aware that there was a copycat incident in Taber a week later? There, some asshole went into school and starting shooting up the place. How many people did he kill before it was over? ONE. That's still tragic, but far less so than Columbine was.

The difference? He had a hunting rifle, not an assault weapon, not something that could be converted to auto fire, and not something with a high capacity magazine.

That's the difference between having some gun control and no gun control. The bad shit still can happen (unfortunately), but the amount of casualties are minimized. Therefore, it is EXACTLY the object that needs to be outlawed.

Whether we like it or not, anti-social behaviour is a sad fact of life, like earthquakes, tornadoes and hurricanes. What we as a society have to do is try and prevent it if possible (through police action, not vigilantism), or minimize it when it does occur.

[PostFactum]

[BartSimpson]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

To put it another way, those 88,000 missing guns could "outfit" the equivalent of 6-8 modern, full-strength infantry divisions.

BULLSH*T.

88,000 random firearms that are mostly revolvers, bolt action rifles, and semi-automatics are absolutely NOT going to outfit ANY 'modern, full strength infantry division' and this sole comment of yours speaks to how little you know of the firearms you're demonizing and it speaks to the vast ignorance you have of what constitutes a modern infantry division.

Thanks for proving Yogi's point that you're posing as an authority on topics you know very little about.

[Dayseed]

RUEZ RUEZ:

Hey why stop there? If we're going to make outlandish comparisons maybe his hobby was collecting white women as slaves?

Yeah, but Steven Seagaldoesn't need guns.

[BartSimpson]

bootlegga bootlegga:

This conversation is about military assault rifles that are easily converted to automatic fire from semi-automatic.

Really? Please illuminate me.

What specific "military assault rifle" originates as a semi-automatic and then is 'easily converted' to full-automatic? Further, to prove your point that this is "easy" please clearly state the process for converting that particular rifle to full-automatic?

[Gunnair]

RUEZ RUEZ:

bootlegga bootlegga:

There's no need for a civilian to own an assault rifle anyways. Good riddance!

Maybe it's his hobby. Power to him.

Assualt rifles as a hobby? Really?

Shall we add RPGs as well?

[BartSimpson]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Assualt rifles as a hobby? Really?

Shall we add RPGs as well?

When you have ignorant politicians branding all sorts of firearms as 'assault weapons' then, yes, it's perfectly possible for someone to have a harmless hobby that includes what some f**kwit calls an 'assault weapon'.

Example: I own a .22 caliber Feather (RAV)...



It fires a .22 caliber rim fire round with each pull of the trigger and then reloads itself with the recoil action of the round.

In California the rifle pictured is perfectly legal with a 10 round clip. But if I add a pistol grip on the fore and a heat shroud around the barrel it magically becomes an assault rifle.

Yet the function of the illegal configuration is identical to the function of the legal configuration.

One is an assault rifle because it's scary looking and made some Democrat wet their panties and the other is legal because the Democrat probably doesn't know that configuration even exists.

Consequently, I really could care less what some moron defines as an assault weapon because, if they're a reporter or a politician, they're likely wrong.