[Bouboumaster]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

I find it sort of funny that the Quebecers don't want to have to pay for all the "freebies" they demand from their government.

It's not a question that we don't want to pay.

But the government made unfair decision to the middle class:

On one side, poor people don't pay, which is logical.
But on the other side, richier people don't pay much that middle class people.

So, the middle class dude is pissed off because of this inequality. And I agree with this!

[Benn]

Bouboumaster Bouboumaster:

The problem is that, If I'm correct, 45% of the budget is swallowed by Healthcare.

Oh don't even get me started in Quebec's third world, ok I'll be fair, 2nd world health care system. 45% going where? seriously, where? This province has the worst health care in the country and possibly up there on the continent and yes I have lived across Canada and in Europe and south America. It is around on par with Brazil so far as I can tell, and not that's not good.

[PimpBrewski123]

Bouboumaster Bouboumaster:

Proculation Proculation:

We have no right-wing or left-wing here: we only have big government.

Yep. In Quebec, you vote either for the national party (PQ) or for the federal party (PLQ). There was a third party until recently, when he got obliterated.

Ah but the good 'ol journalists in this province do not like the political ''right'' and that's a fact.

They have always favoured the nationalistic party, that happens to be the PQ. They are gonna do everything in their power to oust the PLQ and get the PQ in there. All the while, the ADQ that has a great political viewpoint but does not get much coverage in the media.

[Bouboumaster]

PimpBrewski123 PimpBrewski123:

Bouboumaster Bouboumaster:

Proculation Proculation:

We have no right-wing or left-wing here: we only have big government.

Yep. In Quebec, you vote either for the national party (PQ) or for the federal party (PLQ). There was a third party until recently, when he got obliterated.

Ah but the good 'ol journalists in this province do not like the political ''right'' and that's a fact.

They have always favoured the nationalistic party, that happens to be the PQ. They are gonna do everything in their power to oust the PLQ and get the PQ in there. All the while, the ADQ that has a great political viewpoint but does not get much coverage in the media.

What's a fact is that quebeckers do not like the "right". That is why ADQ almost disappear.

And while PQ got a good coverage by TVA and in the Journal de Montréal, PLQ is backed by SRC and in La Presse.

[Bouboumaster]

Benn Benn:

Bouboumaster Bouboumaster:

The problem is that, If I'm correct, 45% of the budget is swallowed by Healthcare.

Oh don't even get me started in Quebec's third world, ok I'll be fair, 2nd world health care system. 45% going where? seriously, where? This province has the worst health care in the country and possibly up there on the continent and yes I have lived across Canada and in Europe and south America. It is around on par with Brazil so far as I can tell, and not that's not good.

There's work to be done in the Healthcare, that's for sure.

[PimpBrewski123]

Bouboumaster Bouboumaster:

What's a fact is that quebeckers do not like the "right". That is why ADQ almost disappear.

And while PQ got a good coverage by TVA and in the Journal de Montréal, PLQ is backed by SRC and in La Presse.

Actually, the Quebec media should be neutral, instead of being very bias.

That way, by being fair, the populace gets to make their own opinion based on facts.

Instead all we get in this province are very ''left'' political analysis from both SRC and TVA. The only difference being that one is Federalist and the other nationalist/separatist.

[DerbyX]

PimpBrewski123 PimpBrewski123:

Bouboumaster Bouboumaster:

What's a fact is that quebeckers do not like the "right". That is why ADQ almost disappear.

And while PQ got a good coverage by TVA and in the Journal de Montréal, PLQ is backed by SRC and in La Presse.

Actually, the Quebec media should be neutral, instead of being very bias.

That way, by being fair, the populace gets to make their own opinion based on facts.

Wishful thinking. No media has the ability to be 100% neutral.

[Bouboumaster]

PimpBrewski123 PimpBrewski123:

Instead all we get in this province are very ''left'' political analysis from both SRC and TVA. The only difference being that one is Federalist and the other nationalist/separatist.

Maybe because a majority of people in Quebec aren't interested in the "right"? Maybe because the people of the Province of Quebec are mostly progressives? What do you think of that?

[PimpBrewski123]

DerbyX DerbyX:

No media has the ability to be 100% neutral.

Ok, sure. All medias have a certain bias of sort.

The only thing trying to point out is that the Quebec Francophone media uses ''bias'' even more in order to get their own message across. They use it effectively. How else do you explain the rise in ''nationalism'' in the province. They always portray the Bloc/PQ in a favourable manner while all the other Federalist parties are often scrutinized. They constantly favour the separatist minority by giving it a stronger voice for example.

[DerbyX]

PimpBrewski123 PimpBrewski123:

DerbyX DerbyX:

No media has the ability to be 100% neutral.

Ok, sure. All medias have a certain bias of sort.

The only thing trying to point out is that the Quebec Francophone media uses ''bias'' even more in order to get their own message across. They use it effectively. How else do you explain the rise in ''nationalism'' in the province. They always portray the Bloc/PQ in a favourable manner while all the other Federalist parties are often scrutinized. They constantly favour the separatist minority by giving it a stronger voice for example.

I agree. What is the old adage? Never piss off people who buy ink by the barrel. I guess it actually bodes well for Canadian nationalism in Quebec if separatism is on such shaky ground despite the pro-media bias.

If we can do so well against a massive media campaign then we are moving in the right direction.

[PimpBrewski123]

Bouboumaster Bouboumaster:

PimpBrewski123 PimpBrewski123:

Instead all we get in this province are very ''left'' political analysis from both SRC and TVA. The only difference being that one is Federalist and the other nationalist/separatist.

Maybe because a majority of people in Quebec aren't interested in the "right"? Maybe because the people of the Province of Quebec are mostly progressives

There are some. And there would be more if the media would be fairly reporting on politics in the province.

Instead all we have is immature journalism, not covering the real issues and spewing their own sort of propaganda and analystic opinions.

[Bouboumaster]

PimpBrewski123 PimpBrewski123:

DerbyX DerbyX:

No media has the ability to be 100% neutral.

Ok, sure. All medias have a certain bias of sort.

The only thing trying to point out is that the Quebec Francophone media uses ''bias'' even more in order to get their own message across. They use it effectively. How else do you explain the rise in ''nationalism'' in the province. They always portray the Bloc/PQ in a favourable manner while all the other Federalist parties are often scrutinized. They constantly favour the separatist minority by giving it a stronger voice for example.

I have to call bullshit here.
First: Not all medias are "that" bias in Quebec. I will not talk about those in the ROC, because I would say things on subjects I don't know, but if I take a look on what's happening in the US, Quebec's medias aren't that bad.

Second: Maybe the current "rise" of the nationalism (be afraid, Hoooouuu!) is due to the fact that quebeckers feels like they are buttraped. Do you live in Quebec? If so, and if you follow a bit the actualities, you've probably learned about Charest's most recent shits. Quebeckers are, and rightfully, pissed off. And maybe they don't like current federal government too, because they don't recognise themselves in it. What do you think of that?

Third: Again, not all medias are pro-separatism, what the hell do you think?

[Bouboumaster]

PimpBrewski123 PimpBrewski123:

Bouboumaster Bouboumaster:

PimpBrewski123 PimpBrewski123:

Instead all we get in this province are very ''left'' political analysis from both SRC and TVA. The only difference being that one is Federalist and the other nationalist/separatist.

Maybe because a majority of people in Quebec aren't interested in the "right"? Maybe because the people of the Province of Quebec are mostly progressives

There are some. And there would be more if the media would be fairly reporting on politics in the province.

Instead all we have is immature journalism, not covering the real issues and spewing their own sort of propaganda and analystic opinions.

What's the real issues?

I think you are just angry because ADQ gets smashed in the last election. Their values were absolutly not those of the majority, and that's why they are almost extinct.

[DerbyX]

Bouboumaster Bouboumaster:

Second: Maybe the current "rise" of the nationalism (be afraid, Hoooouuu!) is due to the fact that quebeckers feels like they are buttraped. Do you live in Quebec? If so, and if you follow a bit the actualities, you've probably learned about Charest's most recent shits. Quebeckers are, and rightfully, pissed off. And maybe they don't like current federal government too, because they don't recognise themselves in it. What do you think of that?

Third: Again, not all medias are pro-separatism, what the hell do you think?

Buttraped? How? By the 8 billion in transfer payments? The complete allowance of them to govern all provincial affairs even to the exclusion of the federal pension plan, a foolish thing I think.

[Bouboumaster]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Bouboumaster Bouboumaster:

Second: Maybe the current "rise" of the nationalism (be afraid, Hoooouuu!) is due to the fact that quebeckers feels like they are buttraped. Do you live in Quebec? If so, and if you follow a bit the actualities, you've probably learned about Charest's most recent shits. Quebeckers are, and rightfully, pissed off. And maybe they don't like current federal government too, because they don't recognise themselves in it. What do you think of that?

Third: Again, not all medias are pro-separatism, what the hell do you think?

Buttraped? How? By the 8 billion in transfer payments? The complete allowance of them to govern all provincial affairs even to the exclusion of the federal pension plan, a foolish thing I think.

I was more talking about provincial business, actually