[ridenrain]

Gunnair Gunnair:

ridenrain ridenrain:

I know anything called art in Canada needs to be paid for by the government.
Anything else is just a sell out.

Wow, you just can't help being an idiot.

Troll on, Bubba.



This was art only because the Canadian government paid for it. Everyone else would just gave called it unimaginative graffiti and it would have been lost in obscurity.

[Gunnair]

ridenrain ridenrain:

Gunnair Gunnair:

ridenrain ridenrain:

I know anything called art in Canada needs to be paid for by the government.
Anything else is just a sell out.

Wow, you just can't help being an idiot.

Troll on, Bubba.



This was art only because the Canadian government paid for it. Everyone else would just gave called it unimaginative graffiti and it would have been lost in obscurity.

It's hardly trolling if I call you an idiot.

It's a public service announcement.

[ridenrain]

Trolling isn't a public service.
Try to stay on topic here.

In your opinion, is that painting art worth $1.8 million dollars?

[Gunnair]

ridenrain ridenrain:

Trolling isn't a public service.
Try to stay on topic here.

In your opinion, is that painting art worth $1.8 million dollars?

Of course not.

[kitty]

Art is subjective and a hundred people might have a hundred different opinions.

my opinion, for what is worth... that sculpture is horrid

[Zipperfish]

commanderkai commanderkai:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Don't worry. You guys are conservatvies. We know you don't "get" art.

Of course we "get" art, we just call it as we see it and don't beat around the bush.

Well, I think in this case some of the Conservatives on this thread are calling that they don't see it. They see Lenin and Mao, and that's about as far as they saw.

A common, perhaps even defining, tenet among conservatvies is respect for authority and patriotism. Conservatives seek to "conserve" beliefs and traditions they hold dear. Artists deliberately push tradition and belief, trespass the boundaries of social mores, and challenge the status quo. There's a natural enmity there, I'd say, which is probably why artists are often associated with the left.

Not that all artists are liberal. I accompanioed a bagpipe band once. They were mostly conservatives.

[Bodah]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Well, I think in this case some of the Conservatives on this thread are calling that they don't see it. They see Lenin and Mao, and that's about as far as they saw.

A common, perhaps even defining, tenet among conservatvies is respect for authority and patriotism. Conservatives seek to "conserve" beliefs and traditions they hold dear. Artists deliberately push tradition and belief, trespass the boundaries of social mores, and challenge the status quo. There's a natural enmity there, I'd say, which is probably why artists are often associated with the left.

Not that all artists are liberal. I accompanioed a bagpipe band once. They were mostly conservatives.

Highbrow speel of the day.

I wonder if the same would apply for a Hitler bust in downtown Ottawa.

[BartSimpson]

My own definition of "art" is defined by my lack of artistic skill. Where I am a talentless hack I define as art those works that I cannot reasonably recreate on my own. The works of Bierstadt, Rembrandt, and the like would be, to me, art. Much of the dreck that one sees in a modern art museum (the legion of plain, white canvasses, the rain gutters with spray paint on them, the pile of shoes in a corner) all of it is something I can perfectly reproduce and, therefore, it is not art.

"High art" to me includes those works that inspire me to be a better person or that inspire my soul. The depressing crap I all too often find passed off as art are the expressions of sick minds that need psychiatric attention.

While I do not condone government censorship of aberrant works, I absolutely and ardently oppose using taxpayer funds to finance works that sicken or that meet legal definitions of obscenity.

[BartSimpson]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Artists deliberately push tradition and belief, trespass the boundaries of social mores, and challenge the status quo.

You're confusing 'artists' with 'activists'.

I love art while I object to activist propaganda cloaked in art.

[ridenrain]

Sad that the statue dedicated to the victims of communism wasn't given such strong support.

[Zipperfish]

Bodah Bodah:

Highbrow speel of the day.

I wonder if the same would apply for a Hitler bust in downtown Ottawa.

Hitler doing what?

[Zipperfish]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Artists deliberately push tradition and belief, trespass the boundaries of social mores, and challenge the status quo.

You're confusing 'artists' with 'activists'.

I love art while I object to activist propaganda cloaked in art.

The two can be easily confused.

[BartSimpson]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Bodah Bodah:

Highbrow speel of the day.

I wonder if the same would apply for a Hitler bust in downtown Ottawa.

Hitler doing what?

A bust of anyone is going to convey what action?

[Zipperfish]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Bodah Bodah:

Highbrow speel of the day.

I wonder if the same would apply for a Hitler bust in downtown Ottawa.

Hitler doing what?

A bust of anyone is going to convey what action?

You guys are just proving my point. You don't get it.

Art isn't just paintings of flowers drawn by people dead long ago.

[Zipperfish]

Here's an interesting study:

$1:

Conservatism and art preferences.
By Wilson, Glenn D.; Ausman, James; Mathews, Thomas R.
Journal of Personality and Social Psychology. Vol 25(2), Feb 1973, 286-288.
Abstract
Hypothesized, on the basis of the proposition that a generalized fear of uncertainty is the psychological variable which accounts for the organization of social attitudes along a general factor of liberalism-conservatism, that conservatives would express an aversion to highly complex and abstract art works. 20 paintings were chosen by an art expert, 5 to represent each of 4 categories differing in degree of uncertainty: simple representational, simple abstract, complex representational, and complex abstract. 16 female and 14 male 23-34 yr. olds made preference judgments for each painting and completed the Conservatism Scale. As predicted, high scorers on the Conservatism Scale preferred paintings in the simple representational category and showed a definite dislike for the complex representational and complex abstract works, while liberals preferred the more complex and abstract paintings. The complexity dimension was the primary discriminator of the judgments of liberals and conservatives (r = -.56, p < .01) rather than abstraction (r = -.14). (PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2009 APA, all rights reserved)

Or this, from the bottom of the barrel of conservative thought at (I'm not making this up) American Thinker

$1:

Conservatives have a problem with artists, just as most artists have a problem with conservatives.

...

Artists are generally very liberal because they can't afford decent housing...

...

Artists don't really care about the poor except that it helps them to make an argument for their own needs.

...

As long as we have a large, educated, creative, but under-employed class of artists in America, there will be a huge propaganda machine directed with energy and hostility at conservative values, traditional Good, and natural law.