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Title: Gore: Polar ice may go in 5 years
Category: World
Posted By: Hyack
Date: 2009-12-14 16:26:43

Thats ok, we still have Alberta Springs, and Smirnoff

[CanadianGigolo]

FieryVulpine FieryVulpine:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

ridenrain ridenrain:

Facts simply get in the way when the lefties grab for their new green religion and anyone that dosen't believe must be inprisoned and re-educated.

Certainly true, for those political activist types who have little knowledge of science (the Greenpeace gang, for exmaple). But equally true for the activists on the right. Neither have much understanding of the issue and they just parrot the talking points given to them by their demagogue leaders.

The left are wringing their hands and pronouncing the Apocalypse from rising sea level. The right are wringing their hands and pronouncing Apocalypse from socialism, and the religious right have rekindled their age-old enmity with science.

The science is being wielded by the left with nothing less than religious fervor. The Climategate scandal shows what happens when you try to deify human endeavour: you'll inevitably be disappointed.

Both sides are looking for a silver bullet that will slay the other side, with each new science report, and with each new scandal or controversey. But that is not likely to happen. The truth or fallacy of anthropgenic global warming will become more evident, but it will never become certain.

Frankly, like many debates in contemporary North america, its unravelling as the press hands control of the debate to the most extreme, the most controversial. The Rush Limbaughs, the Greenpeacers. The voice of reason in the middle is lost amid all the screaming from the far left and right.

This happenes a lot these days. Maybe it was always like that, but I find that more andmore, aour public policy debates are dominated by demagogues and clowns.

If Climategate teaches one thing, it should be that (as Rex Murphy pointed ou) science should not get in bed with politics and activism.

CHECK OUT THE DATE ON THE BLOG
http://www.canadaka.net/blog/CanadianGi ... html#r4431

SAMMY

[Annihilator]

And it's the GW deniers that are considered as conspirationists...

[Gunnair]

ridenrain ridenrain:

Meanwhile all we hear from the greenies is disaster after disaster if we don't act immediately, because the science is settled and anyone who doesn't agree hates the earth, kittens and pie.

Ummm... brownies say touch nothing, it's sun spots.

[Bodah]

Scientist recently discovered data has been tampered with due to funky ALGOREythm

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There are many kinds of truth. Al Gore was hit by an inconvenient one yesterday.

The former vice president, who became an unlikely figurehead for the green movement after narrating the Oscar-winning documentary "An Inconvenient Truth," became entangled in a new climate change row.

Gore, speaking at the Copenhagen climate change summit, stated the latest research showed that the Arctic could be completely ice-free in five years.

In his speech, Gore told the conference: "These figures are fresh. Some of the models suggest to Dr. [Wieslav] Maslowski that there is a 75 percent chance that the entire north polar ice cap, during the summer months, could be completely ice-free within five to seven years."

However, the climatologist whose work Gore was relying upon dropped the former vice president in the water with an icy blast.

"It's unclear to me how this figure was arrived at," Dr. Maslowski said. "I would never try to estimate likelihood at anything as exact as this."

Gore's office later admitted that the 75 percent figure was one used by Dr. Maslowski as a "ballpark figure" several years ago in a conversation with Gore.

The embarrassing error cast another shadow over the conference after the controversy over the hacked e-mails from the University of East Anglia's Climate Research Unit, which appeared to suggest that scientists had manipulated data to strengthen their argument that human activities were causing global warming.

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2009/12/ ... -dont-add/

Go to the Univeristy of Illinois for data set plots on artic ice, they're the ones responsible for it, the planet has been cooling. Good recipe for ice. P.S. Polars are fine too.


http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/

[N_Fiddledog]

This new study from NASA on Soot is interesting. Actually there have been other studies saying the same thing for a while now, but it's interesting NASA is jumping on board.

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In fact, the new research, by NASA’s William Lau and collaborators, reinforces with detailed numerical analysis what earlier studies suggest: that soot and dust contribute as much (or more) to atmospheric warming in the Himalayas as greenhouse gases. This warming fuels the melting of glaciers and could threaten fresh water resources in a region that is home to more than a billion people.

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/featur ... rming.html

I've read soot is one of the many things which affects the Arctic, as well.

[BartSimpson]

LOL, Gore got caught cooking the books again.

[CanadianJeff]

Right....and Gore is qualified to tell us jack crap about global science. Not biast at all.

[Proculation]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

This new study from NASA on Soot is interesting. Actually there have been other studies saying the same thing for a while now, but it's interesting NASA is jumping on board.

$1:

In fact, the new research, by NASA’s William Lau and collaborators, reinforces with detailed numerical analysis what earlier studies suggest: that soot and dust contribute as much (or more) to atmospheric warming in the Himalayas as greenhouse gases. This warming fuels the melting of glaciers and could threaten fresh water resources in a region that is home to more than a billion people.

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/featur ... rming.html

I've read soot is one of the many things which affects the Arctic, as well.

That's the theory I believe in. The problem is colloidal particles, not CO2 or global warming. Take two snow benches: one immaculate white and another with a lot of dust/soot/etc on it. Which one will melt faster ? White color makes the IR waves rebound while the dark colors absorb them. That's quite basic...

And for Lemmy: don't you know how skates work ? It's the pressure that makes the thin layer of water between the ice and the skate that makes you slide. Same thing with glaciers.

[Lemmy]

Proculation Proculation:

And for Lemmy: don't you know how skates work ? It's the pressure that makes the thin layer of water between the ice and the skate that makes you slide. Same thing with glaciers.

So a fat guy should be faster on skates? From what I read today, there's a lot more to glacial dynamics than mass. They discuss water content within the glacier as well as beneath it. They also discuss the crumbling of the "tongue", which I gather is the melting leading edge, which acts like a brake on better-frozen glaciers. I perused a dozen or so articles today, all from seemingly credible sources (NASA, university researchers) and they ALL say melting glaciers move faster. Are they all wrong? Who am I to believe? NASA and professional researchers or you lot?

[Gunnair]

Lemmy Lemmy:

Proculation Proculation:

And for Lemmy: don't you know how skates work ? It's the pressure that makes the thin layer of water between the ice and the skate that makes you slide. Same thing with glaciers.

So a fat guy should be faster on skates? From what I read today, there's a lot more to glacial dynamics than mass. They discuss water content within the glacier as well as beneath it. They also discuss the crumbling of the "tongue", which I gather is the melting leading edge, which acts like a brake on better-frozen glaciers. I perused a dozen or so articles today, all from seemingly credible sources (NASA, university researchers) and they ALL say melting glaciers move faster. Are they all wrong? Who am I to believe? NASA and professional researchers or you lot?

Uh duh...

Internet forum (sheesh)

Scientists have bias, forum posters do not!

[Brenda]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Scientists have bias, forum posters do not!

TRUE DAT!

[PluggyRug]

Al Gore "is no match for mother nature"

Courtesy of "Frosty the Snowman"

[Freakinoldguy]

I didn't realise that Sylvia Brown was impersonating Al Gore at climatology meetings.

But since we're into stupid predictions here's mine.

I predict Al Gore couldn't find his own ass on a dark night with both hands.

[JustKate]

AG need's to try and start my car not plugged in!!!!